[TRNSYS-users] type 16
王洋
wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com
Tue Jun 14 09:12:32 PDT 2011
Dear Mr. Jeff,
Many thanks for your patient reply!
I used Type 16a, but there is an ERROR as follows:
*** Fatal Error at time : 7.618000
Generated by Unit : 16
Generated by Type : 16
Message : An simulation timestep is greater than the data
timestep for the radiation calculation. The simulation timestep needs to be
reduced.
*** Notice at time : 7.618000
Generated by Unit : 2
Generated by Type : 56
Message : Geometrical distribution factors for direct
solar (GEOSURF) in zone 1 did not always sum up to unity. normalized
values were used for these timesteps!
*** Notice at time : 7.618000
Generated by Unit : 2
Generated by Type : 56
Message : Geometrical distribution factors for direct
solar (GEOSURF) in zone 2 did not always sum up to unity. normalized
values were used for these timesteps!
*** Notice at time : 7.618000
Generated by Unit : 2
Generated by Type : 56
Message : Geometrical distribution factors for direct
solar (GEOSURF) in zone 3 did not always sum up to unity. normalized
values were used for these timesteps!
And I reduced the time step, after that this ERROR is still
appearing.
Please give me some advices about that!
Thanks a lot!
Br.
wang
2011/6/14 Jeff Thornton <thornton at tess-inc.com>
> Steps to resolve your simulation problem:
>
> 1) Read the documentation for Type 9 and Type 16 carefully. Pay special
> attention to the section on interpolating data in Type 9 (don't with
> radiation) and the section in Type 16 about solar time versus local time.
> Consider daylight savings time (if applicable).
>
> 2) Create your external data file with the weather data.
>
> 3) Find the Type 9 data reader and choose the expert mode (Type9e). Choose
> the settings that match how your data file is set up.
>
> 4) Drag out a Type 65 online plotter and make sure that the simulation is
> reproducing the data from the external file correctly.
>
> 5) Then find the radiation processor and choose the mode where only the
> total horizontal radiation is know (Type16a). Choose the parameters
> carefully.
>
> 6) Connect the total horizontal radiation from the data reader to the
> radiation processor. Also connect the time of last read and time of next
> read inputs,
>
> Repeat step 4.
>
> Jeff
>
> Jeff Thornton
> President - TESS, LLC
>
> 22 North Carroll Street - Suite 370
> Madison WI 53703 USA
>
> Phone: 608-274-2577
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> E-mail: thornton at tess-inc.com
> Web: www.tess-inc.com
>
>
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* "王洋" <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tue, June 14, 2011 8:13
> *Subject:* [TRNSYS-users] type 16
>
> Dear Mr. Jezequel,
>
> Many thanks for your answer.
>
> Yes, I saw the Example: RadiationProcessing etc.It uses Type 16i i.e.
> Total horiz. Diffuse known(Mode 5). But I only get the Global Radiation
> data, I can't get the Diffuse radiation on horizontal from our weather
> station.
>
> Besides that, it uses Type 9f which links to Type 16i. I can't find Type 9f
> in Proforma in Simulation Studio.
>
>
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Br.
>
> wang
>
> 2011/6/14 <trnsys-users-request at cae.wisc.edu>
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>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>> From: "Rebecca Ward" <rmw61 at cam.ac.uk>
>> To: <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:16:18 +0100
>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Output Time Base for Massive Construction
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I’m new to TRNSYS and am modelling a brick building with very thick walls
>> in places but which has an extension with fairly lightweight thin walls. In
>> order to pass the stability criteria, I found it necessary to increase the
>> output time base to 2 – what I’m wondering is how this affects the rest of
>> the analysis, in particular the thinner lightweight walls?
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can give.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rebecca
>>
>>
>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>> From: Devin Rohan <drohan at purdue.edu>
>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:04:56 -0400
>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Type 56 Active Layer Not Saving
>> 1.) When I'm defining an active layer, the save button is not accessible.
>> So I put it into my wall type and I can save the wall type with the active
>> layer in it. When I close out of TRNBuild and start a new project, the
>> layer I defined as an "active layer" get assigned to a "massless layer" and
>> the active layer option is not available. Any help as to why this happens
>> is appreciated.
>>
>> --
>> Devin M. Rohan, LEED Green Associate
>> Purdue University
>> Civil/Architectural Engineering
>> drohan at purdue.edu
>>
>>
>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>> From: 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:22:41 +0200
>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] type 16
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I added our institute own weather data into TRNSYS using Type 9.
>> But I also want to add the other weather data: Global Radiation into TRNSYS.
>> As I knew, I need Type 16 and Type 9. But I don't know detailed setting and
>> defination of Type 16. Please give me some advices in details.
>> E.g. 1. Which Mode should I select? Mode 2? Because there are
>> Global radiation, Outdoor temperature and Humidity and wind speed, wind
>> direction and Air pressure in our weather station.
>> 2. In details which Inputs and Outputs of Type 16 need I link to
>> Type 9 and others?
>> 3. How to set and define the Parameter, Input and Output in
>> details?
>>
>> Many thanks!
>>
>> Br.
>>
>> wang
>>
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>>> 2. TRNSYS Active Layer Flowrate (Devin Rohan)
>>> 3. type 700 efficiencies (Pablo D?az N??ez)
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: 박준원<flowrime at naver.com>
>>> To: <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>>> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:33:02 +0900
>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Question(solar radiation)
>>>
>>> Hi!!
>>>
>>> I am a Korean student, i'm having some trouble with solar radiation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I want to get "Indoor solar radiation" using Type56b(Multi zone)...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But. I dont know output value about solar radiation..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think, Ntype 73 (zone output) is zone solar radiation, is it right??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However i dont know unit of that..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So.. My question are..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. is Ntype 73 zone solar radiation? so what's the unit??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. if not Ntype 73, How can i get the indoor solar radiation?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks to all,
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: Devin Rohan <dmrohan at gmail.com>
>>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:10:01 -0400
>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Active Layer Flowrate
>>> The Type 56 manual suggests that the specific mass flow rate be greater
>>> than 13 kg/h-m^2. Say I wanted to convert this to mass flow rate in kg/s
>>> and the fluid was flowing through a 3/8" (or 9.525 mm) inside diameter pipe.
>>> Here's what I'm doing...
>>>
>>> A_pipe= (pi*D^2)/4 = (pi*.009525^2)/4= 7.1256 E-5 m^2
>>>
>>> 13 kg/h-m^2 x (7.1256 E-5 m^2) x (h / 3600 sec) = 2.573 E-7
>>> kg/s
>>>
>>> This seems like an awfully low mass flow rate, since what I've seen in
>>> literature for floor heating applications is around .05 kg/s. Am I missing
>>> something here?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Devin M. Rohan
>>> drohan at purdue.edu
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: "Pablo Díaz Núñez" <p.diazn87 at gmail.com>
>>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:16:34 +0200
>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] type 700 efficiencies
>>> Dear trnsys users,
>>>
>>> I am simulating and studying the behaviour of a central heating system of
>>> a residential building with gas boilers. For the boiler I'm using type 700,
>>> where combustion and boiler efficiencies are inputs. I need these values as
>>> a function of the intlet water temperature and the part load ratio for the
>>> model to work and I don't find this data in any boiler catalog. Only partial
>>> data like the boiler efficiency at rated power.
>>>
>>> If somebody had any cataloge with this data I would be very thankful. Or
>>> maybe somebody knows any manufacturer who could provide me.
>>>
>>> I know it's not a doubt or question about trnsys itself, but I'm a bit
>>> desperate.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
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>>
>>
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>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:42:47 +0200
>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] type 16
>> Dear Wang,
>>
>> I think TRNSYS examples deal with weather data.
>> I suggest you to check examples in your local TRNSYS directory to see how
>> to do.
>>
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>> Le 14/06/2011 11:22, 王洋 a écrit :
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I added our institute own weather data into TRNSYS using Type 9.
>> But I also want to add the other weather data: Global Radiation into TRNSYS.
>> As I knew, I need Type 16 and Type 9. But I don't know detailed setting and
>> defination of Type 16. Please give me some advices in details.
>> E.g. 1. Which Mode should I select? Mode 2? Because there are
>> Global radiation, Outdoor temperature and Humidity and wind speed, wind
>> direction and Air pressure in our weather station .
>> 2. In details which Inputs and Outputs of Type 16 need I link to
>> Type 9 and others?
>> 3. How to set and define the Parameter, Input and Output in
>> details?
>>
>> Many thanks!
>>
>> Br.
>>
>> wang
>>
>> 2011/6/13 <trnsys-users-request at cae.wisc.edu>
>>
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Question(solar radiation) (=?EUC-KR?B?udrB2L/4?=)
>>> 2. TRNSYS Active Layer Flowrate (Devin Rohan)
>>> 3. type 700 efficiencies (Pablo D?az N??ez)
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: 박준원<flowrime at naver.com>
>>> To: <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>>> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:33:02 +0900
>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Question(solar radiation)
>>>
>>> Hi!!
>>>
>>> I am a Korean student, i'm having some trouble with solar radiation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I want to get "Indoor solar radiation" using Type56b(Multi zone)...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But. I dont know output value about solar radiation..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think, Ntype 73 (zone output) is zone solar radiation, is it right??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However i dont know unit of that..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So.. My question are..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. is Ntype 73 zone solar radiation? so what's the unit??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. if not Ntype 73, How can i get the indoor solar radiation?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks to all,
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: Devin Rohan <dmrohan at gmail.com>
>>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:10:01 -0400
>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Active Layer Flowrate
>>> The Type 56 manual suggests that the specific mass flow rate be greater
>>> than 13 kg/h-m^2. Say I wanted to convert this to mass flow rate in kg/s
>>> and the fluid was flowing through a 3/8" (or 9.525 mm) inside diameter pipe.
>>> Here's what I'm doing...
>>>
>>> A_pipe= (pi*D^2)/4 = (pi*.009525^2)/4= 7.1256 E-5 m^2
>>>
>>> 13 kg/h-m^2 x (7.1256 E-5 m^2) x (h / 3600 sec) = 2.573 E-7
>>> kg/s
>>>
>>> This seems like an awfully low mass flow rate, since what I've seen in
>>> literature for floor heating applications is around .05 kg/s. Am I missing
>>> something here?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Devin M. Rohan
>>> drohan at purdue.edu
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: "Pablo Díaz Núñez" <p.diazn87 at gmail.com>
>>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:16:34 +0200
>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] type 700 efficiencies
>>> Dear trnsys users,
>>>
>>> I am simulating and studying the behaviour of a central heating system of
>>> a residential building with gas boilers. For the boiler I'm using type 700,
>>> where combustion and boiler efficiencies are inputs. I need these values as
>>> a function of the intlet water temperature and the part load ratio for the
>>> model to work and I don't find this data in any boiler catalog. Only partial
>>> data like the boiler efficiency at rated power.
>>>
>>> If somebody had any cataloge with this data I would be very thankful. Or
>>> maybe somebody knows any manufacturer who could provide me.
>>>
>>> I know it's not a doubt or question about trnsys itself, but I'm a bit
>>> desperate.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TRNSYS-users mailing list
>>> TRNSYS-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>> https://mailman.cae.wisc.edu/listinfo/trnsys-users
>>>
>>>
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