Dear Mr. Jeff,<br><br> Many thanks for your patient reply!<br><br> I used Type 16a, but there is an ERROR as follows:<br><br>*** Fatal Error at time : 7.618000<br> Generated by Unit : 16<br> Generated by Type : 16<br>
Message : An simulation timestep is greater than the data timestep for the radiation calculation. The simulation timestep needs to be reduced.<br> <br> <br>*** Notice at time : 7.618000<br>
Generated by Unit : 2<br> Generated by Type : 56<br> Message : Geometrical distribution factors for direct solar (GEOSURF) in zone 1 did not always sum up to unity. normalized values were used for these timesteps!<br>
<br> <br>*** Notice at time : 7.618000<br> Generated by Unit : 2<br> Generated by Type : 56<br> Message : Geometrical distribution factors for direct solar (GEOSURF) in zone 2 did not always sum up to unity. normalized values were used for these timesteps!<br>
<br> <br>*** Notice at time : 7.618000<br> Generated by Unit : 2<br> Generated by Type : 56<br> Message : Geometrical distribution factors for direct solar (GEOSURF) in zone 3 did not always sum up to unity. normalized values were used for these timesteps!<br>
<br><br> And I reduced the time step, after that this ERROR is still appearing.<br><br> Please give me some advices about that!<br><br> Thanks a lot!<br><br> Br.<br><br>wang <br><div class="gmail_quote">
2011/6/14 Jeff Thornton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thornton@tess-inc.com">thornton@tess-inc.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Steps to resolve your simulation problem:<br><br>1) Read the documentation for Type 9 and Type 16 carefully. Pay special attention to the section on interpolating data in Type 9 (don't with radiation) and the section in Type 16 about solar time versus local time. Consider daylight savings time (if applicable).<br>
<br>2) Create your external data file with the weather data.<br><br>3) Find the Type 9 data reader and choose the expert mode (Type9e). Choose the settings that match how your data file is set up. <br><br>4) Drag out a Type 65 online plotter and make sure that the simulation is reproducing the data from the external file correctly.<br>
<br>5) Then find the radiation processor and choose the mode where only the total horizontal radiation is know (Type16a). Choose the parameters carefully.<br><br>6) Connect the total horizontal radiation from the data reader to the radiation processor. Also connect the time of last read and time of next read inputs,<br>
<br>Repeat step 4.<br><br>Jeff<br><br>Jeff Thornton <br> President - TESS, LLC <br> <br> 22 North Carroll Street - Suite 370<br> Madison WI 53703 USA <br> <br> Phone: 608-274-2577 <br> Fax: 608-278-1475 <br> E-mail: <a href="mailto:thornton@tess-inc.com" target="_blank">thornton@tess-inc.com</a> <br>
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</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><b>Sent:</b> Tue, June 14, 2011 8:13<br><b>Subject:</b> [TRNSYS-users] type 16<br><br></div></div><table width="100%" cellspacing="5"><tbody><tr><td><div><div><div></div><div class="h5">
Dear Mr. Jezequel,<br><br> Many thanks for your answer.<br><br> Yes, I saw the Example: RadiationProcessing etc.It uses Type 16i i.e. Total horiz. Diffuse known(Mode 5). But I only get the Global Radiation data, I can't get the Diffuse radiation on horizontal from our weather station.<br>
<br>Besides that, it uses Type 9f which links to Type 16i. I can't find Type 9f in Proforma in Simulation Studio.<br><br><br><br>Thanks a lot!<br><br>Br.<br><br>wang<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/14 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu</a>></span><br>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi,</p><p class="MsoNormal">I’m new to TRNSYS and am modelling a brick building with very thick walls in places but which has an extension with fairly lightweight thin walls. In order to pass the stability criteria, I found it necessary to increase the output time base to 2 – what I’m wondering is how this affects the rest of the analysis, in particular the thinner lightweight walls?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for any help you can give.</p><p class="MsoNormal">Regards,</p><p class="MsoNormal">Rebecca</p></div></div><br><br>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br>From: Devin Rohan <<a href="mailto:drohan@purdue.edu" target="_blank">drohan@purdue.edu</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br>Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:04:56 -0400<br>Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Type 56 Active Layer Not Saving<br>1.) When I'm defining an active layer, the save button is not accessible. So I put it into my wall type and I can save the wall type with the active layer in it. When I close out of TRNBuild and start a new project, the layer I defined as an "active layer" get assigned to a "massless layer" and the active layer option is not available. Any help as to why this happens is appreciated.<div>
</div><div>-- <br>Devin M. Rohan, LEED Green Associate<br>Purdue University <br>Civil/Architectural Engineering<br><a href="mailto:drohan@purdue.edu" target="_blank">drohan@purdue.edu</a></div> <br><br>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br>
From: 王洋 <<a href="mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com" target="_blank">wanghongyang1767@gmail.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br>Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:22:41 +0200<br>
Subject: [TRNSYS-users] type 16<br>Dear all,<br><br> I added our institute own weather data into TRNSYS using Type 9. But I also want to add the other weather data: Global Radiation into TRNSYS. As I knew, I need Type 16 and Type 9. But I don't know detailed setting and defination of Type 16. Please give me some advices in details.<br>
E.g. 1. Which Mode should I select? Mode 2? Because there are Global radiation, Outdoor temperature and Humidity and wind speed, wind direction and Air pressure in our weather station.<br> 2. In details which Inputs and Outputs of Type 16 need I link to Type 9 and others?<br>
3. How to set and define the Parameter, Input and Output in details?<br><br> Many thanks!<br> <br> Br.<br><br> wang<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/13 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu</a>></span><br>
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To: <<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a>><br> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:33:02 +0900<br> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Question(solar radiation)<br><div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: gulim,Gulim,AppleGothic,sans-serif;">
<div style="font-family: gulim,Gulim,AppleGothic,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><p>Hi!!</p> <p>I am a Korean student, i'm having some trouble with solar radiation.</p> <p> </p> <p>I want to get "Indoor solar radiation" using Type56b(Multi zone)...</p>
<p> </p> <p>But. I dont know output value about solar radiation..</p> <p> </p> <p>I think, Ntype 73 (zone output) is zone solar radiation, is it right??</p> <p> </p> <p>However i dont know unit of that..</p> <p> </p> <p>
So.. My question are..</p> <p> </p> <p>1. is Ntype 73 zone solar radiation? so what's the unit??</p> <p> </p> <p>2. if not Ntype 73, How can i get the indoor solar radiation?</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p>thanks to all,</p>
</div></div></div> <img src="" alt="" width="0" border="0" height="0"><br><br>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br> From: Devin Rohan <<a href="mailto:dmrohan@gmail.com" target="_blank">dmrohan@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br>Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:10:01 -0400<br> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Active Layer Flowrate<br> The Type 56 manual suggests that the specific mass flow rate be greater than 13 kg/h-m^2. Say I wanted to convert this to mass flow rate in kg/s and the fluid was flowing through a 3/8" (or 9.525 mm) inside diameter pipe. Here's what I'm doing...<div>
</div><div>A_pipe= (pi*D^2)/4 = (pi*.009525^2)/4= 7.1256 E-5 m^2</div><div> </div><div>13 kg/h-m^2 x (7.1256 E-5 m^2) x (h / 3600 sec) = 2.573 E-7 kg/s</div><div> </div><div>This seems like an awfully low mass flow rate, since what I've seen in literature for floor heating applications is around .05 kg/s. Am I missing something here?<br clear="all">
<br>-- <br>Devin M. Rohan<br><a href="mailto:drohan@purdue.edu" target="_blank">drohan@purdue.edu</a></div> <br><br>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br>From: "Pablo Díaz Núñez" <<a href="mailto:p.diazn87@gmail.com" target="_blank">p.diazn87@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:16:34 +0200<br>Subject: [TRNSYS-users] type 700 efficiencies<br><div>Dear trnsys users,</div> <div>
</div> <div>I am simulating and studying the behaviour of a central heating system of a residential building with gas boilers. For the boiler I'm using type 700, where combustion and boiler efficiencies are inputs. I need these values as a function of the intlet water temperature and the part load ratio for the model to work and I don't find this data in any boiler catalog. Only partial data like the boiler efficiency at rated power.</div>
<div> </div> <div>If somebody had any cataloge with this data I would be very thankful. Or maybe somebody knows any manufacturer who could provide me.</div> <div> </div> <div>I know it's not a doubt or question about trnsys itself, but I'm a bit desperate.</div>
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<font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Dear Wang,<br> <br> I think TRNSYS examples deal with weather data. <br> I suggest you to check examples in your local TRNSYS directory to see how to do.<br>
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Dear all,<br> <br> I added our institute own weather data into TRNSYS using Type 9. But I also want to add the other weather data: Global Radiation into TRNSYS. As I knew, I need Type 16 and Type 9. But I don't know detailed setting and defination of Type 16. Please give me some advices in details.<br>
E.g. 1. Which Mode should I select? Mode 2? Because there are Global radiation, Outdoor temperature and Humidity and wind speed, wind direction and Air pressure in our weather station
.<br> 2. In details which Inputs and Outputs of Type 16 need I link to Type 9 and others?<br> 3. How to set and define the Parameter, Input and Output in details?<br> <br> Many thanks!<br>
<br> Br.<br> <br> wang<br> <br> <div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/13 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu</a>></span><br>
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than "Re: Contents of TRNSYS-users digest..."<br> <br> Today's Topics:<br> <br> 1. Question(solar radiation) (=?EUC-KR?B?udrB2L/4?=)<br> 2. TRNSYS Active Layer Flowrate (Devin Rohan)<br>
3. type 700 efficiencies (Pablo D?az N??ez)<br> <br> <br> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br> From: 박준원<<a href="mailto:flowrime@naver.com" target="_blank">flowrime@naver.com</a>><br>
To: <<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a>><br> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:33:02 +0900<br> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Question(solar radiation)<br>
<div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: gulim,Gulim,AppleGothic,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: gulim,Gulim,AppleGothic,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><p>Hi!!</p> <p>I am a Korean student, i'm having some trouble with solar radiation.</p>
<p> </p> <p>I want to get "Indoor solar radiation" using Type56b(Multi zone)...</p> <p> </p> <p>But. I dont know output value about solar radiation..</p>
<p> </p> <p>I think, Ntype 73 (zone output) is zone solar radiation, is it right??</p> <p> </p> <p>However i dont know unit of that..</p>
<p> </p> <p>So.. My question are..</p> <p> </p> <p>1. is Ntype 73 zone solar radiation? so what's the unit??</p> <p> </p>
<p>2. if not Ntype 73, How can i get the indoor solar radiation?</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p>thanks to all,</p></div></div></div> <img src="" alt="" width="0" border="0" height="0"><br>
<br> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br> From: Devin Rohan <<a href="mailto:dmrohan@gmail.com" target="_blank">dmrohan@gmail.com</a>><br> To: <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br>
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:10:01 -0400<br> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Active Layer Flowrate<br> The Type 56 manual suggests that the specific mass flow rate be greater than 13 kg/h-m^2. Say I wanted to convert this to mass flow rate in kg/s and the fluid was flowing through a 3/8" (or 9.525 mm) inside diameter pipe. Here's what I'm doing... <div>
</div> <div>A_pipe= (pi*D^2)/4 = (pi*.009525^2)/4= 7.1256 E-5 m^2</div> <div> </div> <div>13 kg/h-m^2 x (7.1256 E-5 m^2) x (h / 3600 sec) = 2.573 E-7 kg/s</div> <div>
</div> <div>This seems like an awfully low mass flow rate, since what I've seen in literature for floor heating applications is around .05 kg/s. Am I missing something here?<br clear="all">
<br> -- <br> Devin M. Rohan<br> <a href="mailto:drohan@purdue.edu" target="_blank">drohan@purdue.edu</a></div> <br> <br> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:16:34 +0200<br> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] type 700 efficiencies<br> <div>Dear trnsys users,</div> <div> </div> <div>I am simulating and studying the behaviour of a central heating system of a residential building with gas boilers. For the boiler I'm using type 700, where combustion and boiler efficiencies are inputs. I need these values as a function of the intlet water temperature and the part load ratio for the model to work and I don't find this data in any boiler catalog. Only partial data like the boiler efficiency at rated power.</div>
<div> </div> <div>If somebody had any cataloge with this data I would be very thankful. Or maybe somebody knows any manufacturer who could provide me.</div> <div> </div>
<div>I know it's not a doubt or question about trnsys itself, but I'm a bit desperate.</div> <div> </div> <div>Thanks in advance!</div> <br> _______________________________________________<br>
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