[TRNSYS-users] type 16
王洋
wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com
Wed Jun 15 04:32:39 PDT 2011
Dear Mr. Jeff,
Many thanks for your patient reply!
I used Type 16a, but there is an ERROR as follows:
*** Fatal Error at time : 7.618000
Generated by Unit : 16
Generated by Type : 16
Message : An simulation timestep is greater than the data
timestep for the radiation calculation. The simulation timestep needs to be
reduced.
*** Notice at time : 7.618000
Generated by Unit : 2
Generated by Type : 56
Message : Geometrical distribution factors for direct
solar (GEOSURF) in zone 1 did not always sum up to unity. normalized
values were used for these timesteps!
*** Notice at time : 7.618000
Generated by Unit : 2
Generated by Type : 56
Message : Geometrical distribution factors for direct
solar (GEOSURF) in zone 2 did not always sum up to unity. normalized
values were used for these timesteps!
*** Notice at time : 7.618000
Generated by Unit : 2
Generated by Type : 56
Message : Geometrical distribution factors for direct
solar (GEOSURF) in zone 3 did not always sum up to unity. normalized
values were used for these timesteps!
And I reduced the time step, after that this ERROR is still
appearing.
Please give me some advices about that!
Thanks a lot!
Br.
wang
2011/6/14 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
>
> 2011/6/14 Jeff Thornton <thornton at tess-inc.com>
>
>> Steps to resolve your simulation problem:
>>
>> 1) Read the documentation for Type 9 and Type 16 carefully. Pay special
>> attention to the section on interpolating data in Type 9 (don't with
>> radiation) and the section in Type 16 about solar time versus local time.
>> Consider daylight savings time (if applicable).
>>
>> 2) Create your external data file with the weather data.
>>
>> 3) Find the Type 9 data reader and choose the expert mode (Type9e).
>> Choose the settings that match how your data file is set up.
>>
>> 4) Drag out a Type 65 online plotter and make sure that the simulation is
>> reproducing the data from the external file correctly.
>>
>> 5) Then find the radiation processor and choose the mode where only the
>> total horizontal radiation is know (Type16a). Choose the parameters
>> carefully.
>>
>> 6) Connect the total horizontal radiation from the data reader to the
>> radiation processor. Also connect the time of last read and time of next
>> read inputs,
>>
>> Repeat step 4.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> Jeff Thornton
>> President - TESS, LLC
>>
>> 22 North Carroll Street - Suite 370
>> Madison WI 53703 USA
>>
>> Phone: 608-274-2577
>> Fax: 608-278-1475
>> E-mail: thornton at tess-inc.com
>> Web: www.tess-inc.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *----- Original Message -----*
>> *From:* "王洋" <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tue, June 14, 2011 8:13
>> *Subject:* [TRNSYS-users] type 16
>>
>> Dear Mr. Jezequel,
>>
>> Many thanks for your answer.
>>
>> Yes, I saw the Example: RadiationProcessing etc.It uses Type 16i i.e.
>> Total horiz. Diffuse known(Mode 5). But I only get the Global Radiation
>> data, I can't get the Diffuse radiation on horizontal from our weather
>> station.
>>
>> Besides that, it uses Type 9f which links to Type 16i. I can't find Type
>> 9f in Proforma in Simulation Studio.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks a lot!
>>
>> Br.
>>
>> wang
>>
>> 2011/6/14 <trnsys-users-request at cae.wisc.edu>
>>
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>>> 1. Output Time Base for Massive Construction (Rebecca Ward)
>>> 2. Type 56 Active Layer Not Saving (Devin Rohan)
>>> 3. type 16 (??)
>>> 4. Re: type 16 (Adrien JEZEQUEL - ITF)
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: "Rebecca Ward" <rmw61 at cam.ac.uk>
>>> To: <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>>> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:16:18 +0100
>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Output Time Base for Massive Construction
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I’m new to TRNSYS and am modelling a brick building with very thick walls
>>> in places but which has an extension with fairly lightweight thin walls. In
>>> order to pass the stability criteria, I found it necessary to increase the
>>> output time base to 2 – what I’m wondering is how this affects the rest of
>>> the analysis, in particular the thinner lightweight walls?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help you can give.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Rebecca
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: Devin Rohan <drohan at purdue.edu>
>>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:04:56 -0400
>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Type 56 Active Layer Not Saving
>>> 1.) When I'm defining an active layer, the save button is not accessible.
>>> So I put it into my wall type and I can save the wall type with the active
>>> layer in it. When I close out of TRNBuild and start a new project, the
>>> layer I defined as an "active layer" get assigned to a "massless layer" and
>>> the active layer option is not available. Any help as to why this happens
>>> is appreciated.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Devin M. Rohan, LEED Green Associate
>>> Purdue University
>>> Civil/Architectural Engineering
>>> drohan at purdue.edu
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
>>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:22:41 +0200
>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] type 16
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I added our institute own weather data into TRNSYS using Type 9.
>>> But I also want to add the other weather data: Global Radiation into TRNSYS.
>>> As I knew, I need Type 16 and Type 9. But I don't know detailed setting and
>>> defination of Type 16. Please give me some advices in details.
>>> E.g. 1. Which Mode should I select? Mode 2? Because there are
>>> Global radiation, Outdoor temperature and Humidity and wind speed, wind
>>> direction and Air pressure in our weather station.
>>> 2. In details which Inputs and Outputs of Type 16 need I link to
>>> Type 9 and others?
>>> 3. How to set and define the Parameter, Input and Output in
>>> details?
>>>
>>> Many thanks!
>>>
>>> Br.
>>>
>>> wang
>>>
>>> 2011/6/13 <trnsys-users-request at cae.wisc.edu>
>>>
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Question(solar radiation) (=?EUC-KR?B?udrB2L/4?=)
>>>> 2. TRNSYS Active Layer Flowrate (Devin Rohan)
>>>> 3. type 700 efficiencies (Pablo D?az N??ez)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>>> From: 박준원<flowrime at naver.com>
>>>> To: <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>>>> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:33:02 +0900
>>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Question(solar radiation)
>>>>
>>>> Hi!!
>>>>
>>>> I am a Korean student, i'm having some trouble with solar radiation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I want to get "Indoor solar radiation" using Type56b(Multi zone)...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But. I dont know output value about solar radiation..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think, Ntype 73 (zone output) is zone solar radiation, is it right??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> However i dont know unit of that..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So.. My question are..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. is Ntype 73 zone solar radiation? so what's the unit??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2. if not Ntype 73, How can i get the indoor solar radiation?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks to all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>>> From: Devin Rohan <dmrohan at gmail.com>
>>>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>>> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:10:01 -0400
>>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Active Layer Flowrate
>>>> The Type 56 manual suggests that the specific mass flow rate be greater
>>>> than 13 kg/h-m^2. Say I wanted to convert this to mass flow rate in kg/s
>>>> and the fluid was flowing through a 3/8" (or 9.525 mm) inside diameter pipe.
>>>> Here's what I'm doing...
>>>>
>>>> A_pipe= (pi*D^2)/4 = (pi*.009525^2)/4= 7.1256 E-5 m^2
>>>>
>>>> 13 kg/h-m^2 x (7.1256 E-5 m^2) x (h / 3600 sec) = 2.573 E-7
>>>> kg/s
>>>>
>>>> This seems like an awfully low mass flow rate, since what I've seen in
>>>> literature for floor heating applications is around .05 kg/s. Am I missing
>>>> something here?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Devin M. Rohan
>>>> drohan at purdue.edu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>>> From: "Pablo Díaz Núñez" <p.diazn87 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>>> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:16:34 +0200
>>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] type 700 efficiencies
>>>> Dear trnsys users,
>>>>
>>>> I am simulating and studying the behaviour of a central heating system
>>>> of a residential building with gas boilers. For the boiler I'm using type
>>>> 700, where combustion and boiler efficiencies are inputs. I need these
>>>> values as a function of the intlet water temperature and the part load ratio
>>>> for the model to work and I don't find this data in any boiler catalog. Only
>>>> partial data like the boiler efficiency at rated power.
>>>>
>>>> If somebody had any cataloge with this data I would be very thankful. Or
>>>> maybe somebody knows any manufacturer who could provide me.
>>>>
>>>> I know it's not a doubt or question about trnsys itself, but I'm a bit
>>>> desperate.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: Adrien JEZEQUEL - ITF <a.jezequel at itf.biz>
>>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:42:47 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] type 16
>>> Dear Wang,
>>>
>>> I think TRNSYS examples deal with weather data.
>>> I suggest you to check examples in your local TRNSYS directory to see how
>>> to do.
>>>
>>> Best regards
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>>> Le 14/06/2011 11:22, 王洋 a écrit :
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I added our institute own weather data into TRNSYS using Type 9.
>>> But I also want to add the other weather data: Global Radiation into TRNSYS.
>>> As I knew, I need Type 16 and Type 9. But I don't know detailed setting and
>>> defination of Type 16. Please give me some advices in details.
>>> E.g. 1. Which Mode should I select? Mode 2? Because there are
>>> Global radiation, Outdoor temperature and Humidity and wind speed, wind
>>> direction and Air pressure in our weather station .
>>> 2. In details which Inputs and Outputs of Type 16 need I link to
>>> Type 9 and others?
>>> 3. How to set and define the Parameter, Input and Output in
>>> details?
>>>
>>> Many thanks!
>>>
>>> Br.
>>>
>>> wang
>>>
>>> 2011/6/13 <trnsys-users-request at cae.wisc.edu>
>>>
>>>> Send TRNSYS-users mailing list submissions to
>>>> trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>>>
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>>>> https://mailman.cae.wisc.edu/listinfo/trnsys-users
>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>> trnsys-users-request at cae.wisc.edu
>>>>
>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>> trnsys-users-owner at cae.wisc.edu
>>>>
>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>> than "Re: Contents of TRNSYS-users digest..."
>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Question(solar radiation) (=?EUC-KR?B?udrB2L/4?=)
>>>> 2. TRNSYS Active Layer Flowrate (Devin Rohan)
>>>> 3. type 700 efficiencies (Pablo D?az N??ez)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>>> From: 박준원<flowrime at naver.com>
>>>> To: <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>>>> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:33:02 +0900
>>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Question(solar radiation)
>>>>
>>>> Hi!!
>>>>
>>>> I am a Korean student, i'm having some trouble with solar radiation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I want to get "Indoor solar radiation" using Type56b(Multi zone)...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But. I dont know output value about solar radiation..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think, Ntype 73 (zone output) is zone solar radiation, is it right??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> However i dont know unit of that..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So.. My question are..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. is Ntype 73 zone solar radiation? so what's the unit??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2. if not Ntype 73, How can i get the indoor solar radiation?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks to all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>>> From: Devin Rohan <dmrohan at gmail.com>
>>>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>>> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:10:01 -0400
>>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Active Layer Flowrate
>>>> The Type 56 manual suggests that the specific mass flow rate be greater
>>>> than 13 kg/h-m^2. Say I wanted to convert this to mass flow rate in kg/s
>>>> and the fluid was flowing through a 3/8" (or 9.525 mm) inside diameter pipe.
>>>> Here's what I'm doing...
>>>>
>>>> A_pipe= (pi*D^2)/4 = (pi*.009525^2)/4= 7.1256 E-5 m^2
>>>>
>>>> 13 kg/h-m^2 x (7.1256 E-5 m^2) x (h / 3600 sec) = 2.573 E-7
>>>> kg/s
>>>>
>>>> This seems like an awfully low mass flow rate, since what I've seen in
>>>> literature for floor heating applications is around .05 kg/s. Am I missing
>>>> something here?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Devin M. Rohan
>>>> drohan at purdue.edu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>>> From: "Pablo Díaz Núñez" <p.diazn87 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>>> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:16:34 +0200
>>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] type 700 efficiencies
>>>> Dear trnsys users,
>>>>
>>>> I am simulating and studying the behaviour of a central heating system
>>>> of a residential building with gas boilers. For the boiler I'm using type
>>>> 700, where combustion and boiler efficiencies are inputs. I need these
>>>> values as a function of the intlet water temperature and the part load ratio
>>>> for the model to work and I don't find this data in any boiler catalog. Only
>>>> partial data like the boiler efficiency at rated power.
>>>>
>>>> If somebody had any cataloge with this data I would be very thankful. Or
>>>> maybe somebody knows any manufacturer who could provide me.
>>>>
>>>> I know it's not a doubt or question about trnsys itself, but I'm a bit
>>>> desperate.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TRNSYS-users mailing list
>>>> TRNSYS-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>>> https://mailman.cae.wisc.edu/listinfo/trnsys-users
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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