[TRNSYS-users] NTYPE 1: TAIR & Top

王洋 wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com
Mon Dec 20 01:05:47 PST 2010


 Dear all,

     I have a question about room air temperature: NTYPE 1: TAIR. As we
know, there are different room air temperature in different height of one
room. Besides that,  the wall, the floor and roof temperature of the room
are also not the same. Please tell me  what's meaning of NTYPE 1: TAIR?
Where is This AIRNODE? How to define This AIRNODE?

 PLUS: to Operative(operation) temperature of room:  How to define
it?  What' meaning is  Operative(operation)temperature of room? What's
difference of Operative(operation) temperature of room and  NTYPE 1: TAIR?



 I saw the TRNBuild / Type56 documentation . But it only shows NTYPE 1:
TAIR: air temperature of zone. But I want to know   Where is This AIRNODE
which measures aie temperature of zone? How to define This AIRNODE? Because
as we know, there are different room air temperature in different height of
one room.


 to Top it shows the operative(operation) temperature of room: BUT how to
define it?  What' meaning is  Operative(operation)
temperature of room? What's difference of Operative(operation) temperature
of room and  NTYPE 1: TAIR?

  Many thanks!

    Br.

wang


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> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
> From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
> To: Manu <manuel.tilly at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:21:46 -0600
> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Create a final report with TrnEdit
>  Manu,
>   TRNEdit is a tool that allows you to directly edit the text of the TRNSYS
> input file. Before the Studio existed, people used TRNEdit to create their
> input file. It doesn't really have any reporting features. You might try
> selecting "Report" from the File menu in the TRNSYS Studio. This will
> generate a summary text file of your project.
> Best,
>  David
>
>
> On 12/14/2010 07:29, Manu wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I try to use TrnEdit on a project and I want to know if it's possible to
> generate a final report (Word or pdf extension file) withe graphic and text
> comment, juste like SimSol (french application based on TRNSys to dimention
> a solar system).
>
> Thank you
>
> Best regards
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> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
> From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
> To: 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:21:12 -0600
> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] zone air temperature (NTYPE 1: TAIR)
>  Wang,
>   Information of this kind can be found in the TRNBuild / Type56
> documentation (volume 05 in the Trnsys17 documentation set).
> Kind Regards,
>  David
>
> On 12/17/2010 07:22, 王洋 wrote:
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>      I have a question about room air temperature: NTYPE 1: TAIR. As we
> know, there are different room air temperature in different height of one
> room. Besides that,  the wall, the floor and roof temperature of the room
> are also not the same. Please tell me  what's meaning of NTYPE 1: TAIR?
> Where is This AIRNODE? How to define This AIRNODE?
>
>  PLUS: to Operative(operation) temperature of room:  How to define
> it?  What' meaning is  Operative(operation)temperature of room? What's
> difference of Operative(operation) temperature of room and  NTYPE 1: TAIR?
>
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Br.
>
> wang
>
>
>
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>>   3. Re : Re:  Psychrometrics (Jérôme Deroche)
>>   4. error when opening sketchup (Annie Marston)
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>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>> From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>> To: Abduljalil Ali Al-Abidi <abo_anas4 at yahoo.com>
>> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:47:43 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Type 56
>> Abduljalil,
>>   In order to change the wall layers, open TRNBuild and open your building
>> description file (*.bui or *.b17). Select Typemanager: Walls from the menus
>> at the top of the screen. Select the appropriate wall from the drop-down
>> list. Double click on a layer in order to change its thickness.
>> Best,
>>  David
>>
>>
>> On 12/16/2010 03:26, Abduljalil Ali Al-Abidi wrote:
>>
>>  Dear Trnsys user
>> I am a new trnsys user and I want to change the thickness of the wall
>> insulation in the tape 56 ( multi-zone building ). Is it possible to change
>> this thickness in this type ex. for insulation = 5 cm to 20 cm step 5cm.
>> I would like to study the effect of insulation thick to the performance of
>> the system
>> best regards
>>
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>> Principal
>> Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
>> 22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
>> Madison, WI  53703 USA
>>
>> P:+1.608.274.2577
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>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>> From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>> To: "Jérôme Deroche" <deroche.jerome at cedre-sophia.com>
>> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:50:55 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Psychrometrics
>> Jérôme,
>>   What is most likely happening is that at a pressure of 1atm, your
>> combination of the dry bulb temperature and the absolute humidity ratio are
>> on the wrong side of the saturation line. Since that is physically
>> impossible, the psychometric routine  keeps your dry bulb temperature and
>> resets the absolute humidity ratio to the value it would be if the relative
>> humidity were 100%.
>> Best,
>>  David
>>
>>
>> On 12/16/2010 04:21,  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> i'm using a psychrometrics type with dry bulb temperature and absolute
>> humidity ratio in inputs. Pressure input is set to 1 atm.
>>
>> I have noticed that sometimes there is a difference between the input
>> humidity ratio and the output humidity ratio. The difference ratio is about
>> 1 to 12%.
>>
>> Could someone explain to me why this difference happens?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Jérôme DEROCHE
>> Ingénieur d'études
>>
>> CEDRE
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>> Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
>> 22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
>> Madison, WI  53703 USA
>>
>> P:+1.608.274.2577
>> F:+1.608.278.1475d.bradley at tess-inc.com
>> http://www.tess-inc.comhttp://www.trnsys.com
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>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>> From: "Jérôme Deroche" <deroche.jerome at cedre-sophia.com>
>> To: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 05:08:17 -0500 (EST)
>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Re : Re: Psychrometrics
>> Your answers are right.
>> Thank you very much
>>
>>
>>
>> Jérôme DEROCHE
>> Ingénieur d'études
>>
>> CEDRE
>>
>> Tel: 04 92 96 03 77
>> Port: 06 25 11 21 93
>> Ophira 1, 1 place Bermond
>> 06560 SOPHIA-ANTIPOLIS
>>
>>
>> Message original Re : Re: [TRNSYS-users] Psychrometrics *De : *David
>> BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>> *A : *Jérôme Deroche <deroche.jerome at cedre-sophia.com>
>> *Date* : 2010-12-16 19:51:05
>>
>>  Jérôme,
>>   What is most likely happening is that at a pressure of 1atm, your
>> combination of the dry bulb temperature and the absolute humidity ratio are
>> on the wrong side of the saturation line. Since that is physically
>> impossible, the psychometric routine  keeps your dry bulb temperature and
>> resets the absolute humidity ratio to the value it would be if the relative
>> humidity were 100%.
>> Best,
>>  David
>>
>>
>> On 12/16/2010 04:21,  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> i'm using a psychrometrics type with dry bulb temperature and absolute
>> humidity ratio in inputs. Pressure input is set to 1 atm.
>>
>> I have noticed that sometimes there is a difference between the input
>> humidity ratio and the output humidity ratio. The difference ratio is about
>> 1 to 12%.
>>
>> Could someone explain to me why this difference happens?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Jérôme DEROCHE
>> Ingénieur d'études
>>
>> CEDRE
>>
>> Tel: 04 92 96 03 77
>> Port: 06 25 11 21 93
>> Ophira 1, 1 place Bermond
>> 06560 SOPHIA-ANTIPOLIS
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TRNSYS-users mailing listTRNSYS-users at cae.wisc.eduhttps://www-old.cae.wisc.edu/mailman/listinfo/trnsys-users
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>>
>> --
>> ***************************
>> David BRADLEY
>> Principal
>> Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
>> 22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
>> Madison, WI  53703 USA
>>
>> P:+1.608.274.2577
>> F:+1.608.278.1475d.bradley at tess-inc.com
>> http://www.tess-inc.comhttp://www.trnsys.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>> From: Annie Marston <A.Marston at eb-engineers.com>
>> To: "trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu" <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:30:35 +0000
>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] error when opening sketchup
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am using the TRNSYS 3d plugin for SketchUp V7. I have v8 but the plugin
>> doesn’t seem to attach to v8 (is this correct? Is there a plugin for v8).
>> Whenever I open sketch up I get the following error:
>>
>> Sorry… the plugin has encountered an error. This error may cause
>> unpredictable behavior in the plugin continue this session with caution! It
>> would probably be a good idea to exit SketchUp  and start again.
>> (unfortunately this happens everytime I open sketchup)
>>
>>
>>
>> For help please contact…
>>
>>
>>
>> Error:
>>
>> NameError
>>
>> Wrong constant name jectinfoInterface
>>
>>
>>
>> Backtrace:
>>
>> C:/Program Files (x86)/Google/Google SketchUp
>> 7/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/DialogManager.rb:31:in `const_get'
>>
>> C:/Program Files (x86)/Google/Google SketchUp
>> 7/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/DialogManager.rb:31:in `restore_state'
>>
>> C:/Program Files (x86)/Google/Google SketchUp
>> 7/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/DialogManager.rb:31:in `initialize'
>>
>> C:/Program Files (x86)/Google/Google SketchUp
>> 7/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/AsynchProc.rb:13:in `call'
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> My version of the plugin is 1.0.5.362
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you help
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Annie
>>
>>
>>
>> *Dr. A. Marston, Ph.D. LEED® AP*
>>
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> Madison, WI  53703 USA
>
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