[TRNSYS-users] NTYPE 1: TAIR & Top

Mon Dec 20 02:31:12 PST 2010

Dear Wang,

in TRNBUILD you can define ZONES. These are in principle RADIATIVE ZONES
that can have ONE/SEVERAL AIRNODES. Please have a look to the Trnsys3d
Tutorial on page 20 at the bottom, there is an image showing the meaning
of radiative zone and convective airnode. If you are starting to set up
a ZONE in TRNBUILD then this automatically is a RADIATIVE ZONE with ONE
AIRNODE.  TAIR represents the ideal mixed air temperature of the volume
that you define in TRNBUILD. The operative temperature (often called the
felt temperature) includes besides the TAIR also the mean surface
temperature in the zone. 

Regards
Christian

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Von: 王洋 [mailto:wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com] 
Gesendet: Montag, 20. Dezember 2010 10:06
An: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
Betreff: [TRNSYS-users] NTYPE 1: TAIR & Top

Dear all,

     I have a question about room air temperature: NTYPE 1: TAIR. As we
know, there are different room air temperature in different height of
one room. Besides that,  the wall, the floor and roof temperature of the
room are also not the same. Please tell me  what's meaning of NTYPE 1:
TAIR? Where is This AIRNODE? How to define This AIRNODE?

 PLUS: to Operative(operation) temperature of room:  How to define it?
What' meaning is  Operative(operation)temperature of room? What's
difference of Operative(operation) temperature of room and  NTYPE 1:
TAIR?

 I saw the TRNBuild / Type56 documentation . But it only shows NTYPE 1:
TAIR: air temperature of zone. But I want to know   Where is This
AIRNODE which measures aie temperature of zone? How to define This
AIRNODE? Because as we know, there are different room air temperature in
different height of one room.

 to Top it shows the operative(operation) temperature of room: BUT how
to define it?  What' meaning is  Operative(operation) 
temperature of room? What's difference of Operative(operation)
temperature of room and  NTYPE 1: TAIR?

  Many thanks！

    Br.

wang

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     2. Re: zone air temperature (NTYPE 1: TAIR) (David BRADLEY)

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   From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
   To: Manu <manuel.tilly at gmail.com>
   Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:21:46 -0600
   Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Create a final report with TrnEdit

   Manu,
     TRNEdit is a tool that allows you to directly edit the text of the
   TRNSYS input file. Before the Studio existed, people used TRNEdit to
   create their input file. It doesn't really have any reporting
   features. You might try selecting "Report" from the File menu in the
   TRNSYS Studio. This will generate a summary text file of your
   project.
   Best,
    David

   On 12/14/2010 07:29, Manu wrote: 

      Hi,

      I try to use TrnEdit on a project and I want to know if it's
      possible to generate a final report (Word or pdf extension file)
      withe graphic and text comment, juste like SimSol (french
      application based on TRNSys to dimention a solar system).

      Thank you

      Best regards

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   From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
   To: 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
   Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:21:12 -0600
   Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] zone air temperature (NTYPE 1: TAIR)

   Wang,
     Information of this kind can be found in the TRNBuild / Type56
   documentation (volume 05 in the Trnsys17 documentation set).
   Kind Regards,
    David

   On 12/17/2010 07:22, 王洋 wrote: 

      Dear all,

           I have a question about room air temperature: NTYPE 1: TAIR.
      As we know, there are different room air temperature in different
      height of one room. Besides that,  the wall, the floor and roof
      temperature of the room are also not the same. Please tell me
      what's meaning of NTYPE 1: TAIR? Where is This AIRNODE? How to
      define This AIRNODE?

       PLUS: to Operative(operation) temperature of room:  How to define
      it?  What' meaning is  Operative(operation)temperature of room?
      What's difference of Operative(operation) temperature of room and 
      NTYPE 1: TAIR?

      Many thanks!

      Br.

      wang

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           1. Re: Type 56 (David BRADLEY)
           2. Re: Psychrometrics (David BRADLEY)
           3. Re : Re:  Psychrometrics (Jérôme Deroche)
           4. error when opening sketchup (Annie Marston)

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         From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
         To: Abduljalil Ali Al-Abidi <abo_anas4 at yahoo.com>
         Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:47:43 -0600
         Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Type 56

         Abduljalil,
           In order to change the wall layers, open TRNBuild and open
         your building description file (*.bui or *.b17). Select
         Typemanager: Walls from the menus at the top of the screen.
         Select the appropriate wall from the drop-down list. Double
         click on a layer in order to change its thickness.
         Best,
          David

         On 12/16/2010 03:26, Abduljalil Ali Al-Abidi wrote: 

            Dear Trnsys user 
            I am a new trnsys user and I want to change the thickness of
            the wall insulation in the tape 56 ( multi-zone building ).
            Is it possible to change this thickness in this type ex. for
            insulation = 5 cm to 20 cm step 5cm.
            I would like to study the effect of insulation thick to the
            performance of the system
            best regards

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         Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
         22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
         Madison, WI  53703 USA

         P:+1.608.274.2577
         F:+1.608.278.1475
         d.bradley at tess-inc.com

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         http://www.trnsys.com

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         From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
         To: "Jérôme Deroche" <deroche.jerome at cedre-sophia.com>
         Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:50:55 -0600
         Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Psychrometrics

         Jérôme,
           What is most likely happening is that at a pressure of 1atm,
         your combination of the dry bulb temperature and the absolute
         humidity ratio are on the wrong side of the saturation line.
         Since that is physically impossible, the psychometric routine
         keeps your dry bulb temperature and resets the absolute
         humidity ratio to the value it would be if the relative
         humidity were 100%.
         Best,
          David

         On 12/16/2010 04:21,  wrote: 

            Hello,
            i'm using a psychrometrics type with dry bulb temperature
            and absolute humidity ratio in inputs. Pressure input is set
            to 1 atm.

            I have noticed that sometimes there is a difference between
            the input humidity ratio and the output humidity ratio. The
            difference ratio is about 1 to 12%.

            Could someone explain to me why this difference happens?

            Thank you 

            Jérôme DEROCHE
            Ingénieur d'études

            CEDRE

            Tel: 04 92 96 03 77
            Port: 06 25 11 21 93
            Ophira 1, 1 place Bermond
            06560 SOPHIA-ANTIPOLIS

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         Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
         22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
         Madison, WI  53703 USA

         P:+1.608.274.2577
         F:+1.608.278.1475
         d.bradley at tess-inc.com

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         http://www.trnsys.com

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         From: "Jérôme Deroche" <deroche.jerome at cedre-sophia.com>
         To: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
         Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 05:08:17 -0500 (EST)
         Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Re : Re: Psychrometrics

         Your answers are right.
         Thank you very much

         Jérôme DEROCHE
         Ingénieur d'études

         CEDRE

         Tel: 04 92 96 03 77
         Port: 06 25 11 21 93
         Ophira 1, 1 place Bermond
         06560 SOPHIA-ANTIPOLIS

         Message original Re : Re: [TRNSYS-users] Psychrometrics

         De : David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
         A : Jérôme Deroche <deroche.jerome at cedre-sophia.com>
         Date : 2010-12-16 19:51:05

         Jérôme,
           What is most likely happening is that at a pressure of 1atm,
         your combination of the dry bulb temperature and the absolute
         humidity ratio are on the wrong side of the saturation line.
         Since that is physically impossible, the psychometric routine
         keeps your dry bulb temperature and resets the absolute
         humidity ratio to the value it would be if the relative
         humidity were 100%.
         Best,
          David

         On 12/16/2010 04:21,  wrote: 

            Hello,
            i'm using a psychrometrics type with dry bulb temperature
            and absolute humidity ratio in inputs. Pressure input is set
            to 1 atm.

            I have noticed that sometimes there is a difference between
            the input humidity ratio and the output humidity ratio. The
            difference ratio is about 1 to 12%.

            Could someone explain to me why this difference happens?

            Thank you 

            Jérôme DEROCHE
            Ingénieur d'études

            CEDRE

            Tel: 04 92 96 03 77
            Port: 06 25 11 21 93
            Ophira 1, 1 place Bermond
            06560 SOPHIA-ANTIPOLIS

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            TRNSYS-users at cae.wisc.edu
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         Principal
         Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
         22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
         Madison, WI  53703 USA

         P:+1.608.274.2577
         F:+1.608.278.1475
         d.bradley at tess-inc.com

         http://www.tess-inc.com
         http://www.trnsys.com

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         From: Annie Marston <A.Marston at eb-engineers.com>
         To: "trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu" <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
         Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:30:35 +0000
         Subject: [TRNSYS-users] error when opening sketchup

         Hi,

         I am using the TRNSYS 3d plugin for SketchUp V7. I have v8 but
         the plugin doesn’t seem to attach to v8 (is this correct? Is
         there a plugin for v8). Whenever I open sketch up I get the
         following error:

         Sorry… the plugin has encountered an error. This error may
         cause unpredictable behavior in the plugin continue this
         session with caution! It would probably be a good idea to exit
         SketchUp  and start again. (unfortunately this happens
         everytime I open sketchup)

         For help please contact…

         Error:

         NameError

         Wrong constant name jectinfoInterface

         Backtrace:

         C:/Program Files (x86)/Google/Google SketchUp
         7/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/DialogManager.rb:31:in `const_get'

         C:/Program Files (x86)/Google/Google SketchUp
         7/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/DialogManager.rb:31:in `restore_state'

         C:/Program Files (x86)/Google/Google SketchUp
         7/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/DialogManager.rb:31:in `initialize'

         C:/Program Files (x86)/Google/Google SketchUp
         7/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/AsynchProc.rb:13:in `call'

         My version of the plugin is 1.0.5.362

         Can you help

         Thanks

         Annie

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         Building Performance Analyst

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