[UA] So you're a Videomancer with some major, MAJOR mojo . . .

[Susan Dohnim]

>From: "Bruce MacMonkey McSpade" <greatbuthulhu at hotmail.com>

>To expand slightly on this - I think that a FICTIONAL character that 
>manifests in the real world (the UA world) would certainly draw the 
>attention of those who are the keepers of the Rooms of Renunciation.  The 
>drawing of a god into the real world means what?  Who are (and what are) 
>the gods of the UA world?

Well . . . I think some entities are being conflated here. It's definitely 
the case that in some cases, individual rooms might find that a given 
fictional character needed to do some renouncing. But not all fictional 
characters -- not even all superpowered fictional characters. If you pulled 
in Bruce Banner/Incredible Hulk guy, what room would be screaming for him? 
He's already torn and conflicted, for pete's sake. There's no superstrong 
belief that he has that is going to call for renunciation. Supes, well, 
maybe. Buffy, again, *maybe* -- though she's a farily 3-dimensional 
character. Say you pull in Willow. She's a powerful witch . . . but 
precisely what belief does she have that requires massive Renunciation?


>think that Bira is right on this point - these anomalies are immutable (how 
>could the super dude be so fixated on Lois).  They do not change.  They do 
>not evolve.

Only if you've decided that ahead of time. Again, consider Jack Slater of 
Last Action Hero. He does change, he does evolve, once he finds out he's 
fictional. Buffy almost does the same when she has those dreams that she's 
in an insane asylum and her mother and father and doctors try to convince 
her that this whole Slayer thing is a delusion. If she almost cracked there, 
imagine if she had to live in the Real World for a few months, straight.

>A short life to them ( the clink of glasses is heard).

Only if there's a "god" controlling all of the rooms such that different 
rooms would commence locking on to different fictional characters for their 
removal.

So this glass-clinking of yours only works with a certain set of 
assumptions:

1) Renunciation helps the problem in some way -- Renunciation drains the 
fictional characters of their superpowers. I don't know why this would be.
2) There is some commanding force behind all Rooms that would draw their 
attention to the fictional characters and put them on the top of the list.
3) Fictional characters cannot change their worldview. Also, they qualify as 
having the level of obsession with their beliefs necessary to qualify for 
Renunciation.

#1 is a stretch, IMO.

#2 works if you assume that the Compte is behind the Rooms -- or that he can 
direct them when need be. This, I'd buy -- I can't believe that the Compte 
would want fictional characters competing for a spot in the Clergy. (The 
Clergy are the beings closest to "gods" in the UA universe, and it's pretty 
clear they don't run the Rooms.)

#3 can be decided to be the case by the GM, but I find it kind of dull. I 
like the idea of fictional characters having to make lots of Madness checks, 
of changing their worldview, of realizing that they are big fat phonies. I 
think that some of the coolness of this particular Videomancer plot idea 
would be drained if the fictional characters remained completely static.

Just my two cents.

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