RES: [UA] Old groups and power

[DL]

Ok, i usually take offense when ppl unawareness say we live in jungles or
something, but thats ok, let me skip the South America thing... :)
[im kidding. we still have "tribes" in reserves.]

The problem here is it: like Winged Coyote put, some philosophical changes
have yes, altered the IC and Statosphere. The point is: how much magic is
dependent on it? Because it has surely change or the new magick schools
would never happened.

And im tempted to agree with Michael Dinowitz, but here is the problem: the
Statosphere and the IC, works independent of geographical cultural
boundaries. We know they exist, but it doesnt matters much for them. Of
course, UA is biased from our perspective. We preffer to think more
"civilized methods" of magick works over tribal methods. And better/worst,
the mass media magick works. :)  UA is about "civilized culture" dominating
the globalized world to the point in wich even magick/paranormality bends to
mass culture concepts. :) Wich is natural, since thats our background,
right? :)

Anyway, the Mage: TA aproach doesnt work here. The localized cultural
unscouncious would not prevail over the IC. What we can think over this
aspect, is if some primeval archetypes are still around, or if the
statosphere is fully under the IC domain, and i really dont think so...but i
may be wrong. :)

And i agree with Mario. At least in part. Even if i was raised in the modern
world, i could be raised or have been reveled to me in some early age, about
the hermetic magick, etc, i could be an neonate from early age, and
specially if i saw the "miracles" of its magick working, it could be alive
thorugh me and others new blood theurgists. Right?

And talking about reality, some people are really raised by parents, with a
very specific and strange mindset. Weird cases of misguided
children/youngsters are not that uncommon. Some real world cults have lots
of ppl like that.

[]s,

   Haroudo Xavier
   UIN 1504427
   www.geocities.com/hasfix/
   haroudo at terra.com.br


-----Mensagem original-----
De: ua-admin at lists.uchicago.edu [mailto:ua-admin at lists.uchicago.edu]Em
nome de Michael Dinowitz
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 24 de abril de 2002 17:53
Para: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Assunto: Re: [UA] Old groups and power


So your basically saying that there's some point in time that divides the
'old' magic from the new? So a modern Jew studying the lore of his tradition
has no chance of doing what his teachers could do? There's a fault in logic
there. If a modern person, no matter how modern is studying a tradition that
has existed unbroken for centuries then why would it be expected that it
wouldn't work for him anymore?
Is it that the stratosphere is now modern and rejects all older magics? So
that means at some point all of those tribes we know nothing about in South
America have just up and lost their magic even though they have no
connection at all to the 'modern world'.
It just lacks something in my opinion.

> So creating golems through old hebrew magic might not work, but using
> other rituals might work (i.e. the Comte can create golems). On the
> other hand, there's a guy in Postmodern Magic who can work hebrew magic.
>
> The thing is, UA is very vague about old school magic (which, IMHO, is a
> good thing). Some schools won't work Other schools could work, but no
> one is really interested in them, as there are ways to achieve the same
> effects. Or maybe old school magic only works for people who learned
> when it worked (the guy in Postmodern Magic is almost two thousand years
> old). Whatever. At the end, what works and what doesn't work seems to be
> GM's call.
>
> Mario Magallanes
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