[TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS-users Digest, Vol 77, Issue 22
WALID KADRI
walidenergetique at gmail.com
Sat May 7 15:08:23 PDT 2011
Thank you, thank you very much.
I'm preparing my memoiry of master i'm special in mechanic engeneering of
thermal power, my memoiry is about ISCC integrated solai combine cycle
systeme, if you have in exemple projet in transys about this send it please
to study it
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>> 1. Starting a TRNSED application from a batch file (or similar)
>> (Jochen Doell)
>> 2. Re: How to use Type 84 properly (Leo H?berlein)
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>> ---------- Message transféré ----------
>> From: Jochen Doell <jochen.doell at ise.fraunhofer.de>
>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:58:43 +0200
>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Starting a TRNSED application from a batch file
>> (or similar)
>> Dear TRNSYS users,
>>
>> is it possible to start a TRNSED application from a batch file without
>> having to select a file and klicking something somewhere?
>> So far, I succeeded in starting the exe with a batch file like this:
>>
>> @echo off
>> start "" "MyTrnsedApp.exe"
>> exit
>>
>> But I still have to klick ok in the popup window, choose the .trd file and
>> then start the simulation manually.
>>
>> Any ideas? I am free to migrate to other ways than batch files...
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Jochen
>>
>> --
>> _________________________________________________
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>> ---------- Message transféré ----------
>> From: "Leo Häberlein" <leohaeberlein at googlemail.com>
>> To: thornton at tess-inc.com, trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:36:33 +0200
>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] How to use Type 84 properly
>> Hey Jeff,
>>
>> Thanks for the quick answer!!
>> Which run-time calculator do you mean? The Type 1233 run-time controller
>> from the TESS Library?
>> I am a beginner with TRNSYS and due to the fact that I am writing my
>> bachelor-thesis, I cant afford buying the TESS library in addition.
>> Isn't there another way to solve that problem?
>> Sorry for bothering you!
>>
>> Greets
>>
>> Leo
>>
>>
>> 2011/4/27 Jeff Thornton <thornton at tess-inc.com>
>>
>>> <Hi everyone,I am trying to connect a chilled ceiling to a moving average
>>> from the last 3 days.If the average ambient temperature is lower than 16
>>> degrees for 3 days in a row, the input temperature for the chilled
>>> ceiling
>>> should go up to 24 degrees. I am using Type 84 for that, but I am not
>>> sure about my input value(how to connect my moving average to my ambient
>>> temp) and how my equation for this should look like.I had the idea of a
>>> 'greater than/lower than' equation but I can only turn it on and off with
>>> this one. Can anybody help??>
>>>
>>> Leo,
>>>
>>> I'm not sure a moving average is going to help you in this case as the
>>> average doesn't capture the effect you're looking for. For example,
>>> imagine you has two really cold days followed by a warm day. In the
>>> logic
>>> you described above, the chilled ceiling would go up to 24 degrees when
>>> it
>>> shouldn't (as the third day is warm). What you need to do is use a
>>> run-time calculator in conjunction with a daily integrator or run-time
>>> average to better implement your control. Use the moving average to
>>> calculate the average over the last 24 hours, feed that to an equation of
>>> the form:
>>>
>>> Variable=LT(T_Moving_Average,16)
>>>
>>> Then feed the result of the Variable equation (a one or a zero) to a
>>> run-time calculator and the output from the run-time calculator to
>>> another
>>> equation:
>>>
>>> OK_24=GT(Runtime,72)
>>>
>>> Then use this equation as the control for your chilled ceiling.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Thornton
>>> President - TESS, LLC
>>>
>>> 22 North Carroll Street - Suite 370
>>> Madison WI 53703 USA
>>>
>>> Phone: 608-274-2577
>>> Fax: 608-278-1475
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> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS-users Digest, Vol 76, Issue 85
> Thank you for every things that you giving to me, and i hope that if you
> have a projet about solair central hybride?
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>> 1. Fwd: R How to open *.tpf and *.bui files of Trnsys 15 using
>> trnsys 17 (??)
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>> ---------- Message transféré ----------
>> From: 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
>> To: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>, trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:03:52 +0200
>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Fwd: R How to open *.tpf and *.bui files of Trnsys
>> 15 using trnsys 17
>>
>>
>> Dear Mr. Bradley,
>>
>> Many thanks! You're right. But when I open the TRNSYS 15's
>> *.tpf file using TRNSYS 17 studio, so many former informations lost, the
>> links' color became BLUE, please see the ATTACHED.
>>
>> What's more, the TRNBUILD cann't open the former TRNSYS 15's
>> *.bui file directly. It said, "cannot open BUI-File:(c:\trnsys
>> 15\usr\Iwobay.bld)". Please see the 2nd ATTACHED. Please give me some
>> advices to open them completely and keep all the former contents in detail
>> using the TRNSYS 15/prebid/iisibat! I'm very eager to use those former
>> programs.
>>
>> My support said to me, try to adapt the syntax in the .dec
>> file to TRNSYS 17, but I tried, it still goes blank. Please see the 3rd
>> ATTACHED. How to adapt the syntax in the .dec file to TRNSYS 17?
>>
>> Thanks a lot!
>>
>> Br.
>>
>> wang
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/4/15 David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>>
>>> Wang,
>>> I just tried and it looks as though File: Open works as expected. The
>>> Trnsys17 Studio is used for opening *.tpf files; it will make its best
>>> attempt at automatically updating certain simulation parameters that changed
>>> between Trnsys15 and Trnsys16. TRNBuild is used for opening *.bui files; it
>>> will ask you to redefine your window data as window data was stored in an
>>> external file and not in the *.bui itself with Trnsys15.
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/15/2011 03:18, � wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>> How to open *.tpf and *.bui files of Trnsys 15 using trnsys 17? Please
>>> tell me the detailed steps!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> br.
>>>
>>> wang
>>>
>>> 2011/4/14 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
>>>
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>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Re: time delay by means of type 93 (input value recall)
>>>>> (David BRADLEY)
>>>>> 2. Re: type 860 PCM Storage Units (David BRADLEY)
>>>>> 3. Re: Ground Convection coefficient (David BRADLEY)
>>>>> 4. Re: TRNSYS3D plugin question (Marion Hiller)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>>>> From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>>>>> To: Stefan Wachter <wachter at mail.hs-ulm.de>
>>>>> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:44:56 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] time delay by means of type 93 (input value
>>>>> recall)
>>>>> Stefan,
>>>>> Type93 simply holds onto a value for as many time steps as you ask it
>>>>> to, then "releases" the value. The control ought to work the same regardless
>>>>> of the system size. I am not sure what you mean by "continuous" controllers.
>>>>> If you mean that there are some controllers that continuously modify a flow
>>>>> rate in order to maintain an outlet temperature then a simple time delay
>>>>> might cause some problems. You might look at some of the controllers
>>>>> available in the TESS Controllers Library (for Trnsys17) as there are a
>>>>> number of devices in there with minimum run times and start-delays.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/8/2011 04:05, Stefan Wachter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am new at trnsys-users.
>>>>> Currently I`m modeling an already existing solar heating system (for
>>>>> hot water).
>>>>> In this system the loading pump is activated by a time delay of 4
>>>>> minutes (after solar pump is launched).
>>>>> I tried to model this as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> - simulation time step: 2 minutes
>>>>> - storage of the control signal of the solar pump over the last two
>>>>> time steps by means of type 93 (input value recall)
>>>>> - if the control signal of the solar pump is "1" in the stored two time
>>>>> steps, then the loading pump is launched.
>>>>>
>>>>> It works (tried by a simple example deck) but does it also works in
>>>>> context with a quite big deck (120 m² apertur area, 2 continuous
>>>>> controllers)?
>>>>> I`m concerned about that the small time step of 2 minutes could cause
>>>>> problems (for example oscillations of the controllers).
>>>>> Could this work or have someone of you another idea how i can solve
>>>>> this problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>>> Best regards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stefan Wachter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> ***************************
>>>>> David BRADLEY
>>>>> Principal
>>>>> Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
>>>>> 22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
>>>>> Madison, WI 53703 USA
>>>>>
>>>>> P:+1.608.274.2577
>>>>> F:+1.608.278.1475d.bradley at tess-inc.com
>>>>> http://www.tess-inc.comhttp://www.trnsys.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>>>> From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>>>>> To: Filippo Busato <busato at gest.unipd.it>
>>>>> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:11:52 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] type 860 PCM Storage Units
>>>>> Filippo,
>>>>> I am not familiar with Type860. However, there is a PCM wall material
>>>>> component available in the user-donated Type library (TRNLib).
>>>>>
>>>>> http://sel.me.wisc.edu/trnsys/trnlib/library16.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> best,
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/13/2011 07:52, Filippo Busato wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>>
>>>>> I found in the report “Simulation Models of PCM storage
>>>>> units” (IEA Report C5 Subtask C) that a Type 860 has been developed by the
>>>>> Institute HEIG-VD in Yverdon-les-Bains Switzerland, by Jacques Bony and
>>>>> Stephane Citherlet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to know if that type is distributed and whom could I
>>>>> get/buy that from.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone help?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>
>>>>> Filippo Busato
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Filippo Busato PhD
>>>>>
>>>>> ingegnere
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> ***************************
>>>>> David BRADLEY
>>>>> Principal
>>>>> Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
>>>>> 22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
>>>>> Madison, WI 53703 USA
>>>>>
>>>>> P:+1.608.274.2577
>>>>> F:+1.608.278.1475d.bradley at tess-inc.com
>>>>> http://www.tess-inc.comhttp://www.trnsys.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>>>> From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>>>>> To: pseudomino at gmx.com
>>>>> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:16:16 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Ground Convection coefficient
>>>>> As noted in TRNBuild (where you set the back side convection
>>>>> coefficient), a value smaller than 0.001 is used to indicate direct contact
>>>>> between a BOUNDARY wall and a temperature. A large value (such as 999) is
>>>>> used with other wall categories (ADJACENT, EXTERNAL, etc.) to indicate good
>>>>> thermal contact.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/13/2011 10:30, pseudomino at gmx.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Usually, when using the assistant to create a multizone building, the
>>>>> convection coefficient between the soil and the floor is set to 999 to
>>>>> reproduce the absence of thermal resistance.
>>>>>
>>>>> But when I create a file using the Trnsys3D import from Sketchup, this
>>>>> same coefficient is set by default to 0,001.
>>>>> Why is that ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Please help me understand
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ***************************
>>>>> David BRADLEY
>>>>> Principal
>>>>> Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
>>>>> 22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
>>>>> Madison, WI 53703 USA
>>>>>
>>>>> P:+1.608.274.2577
>>>>> F:+1.608.278.1475d.bradley at tess-inc.com
>>>>> http://www.tess-inc.comhttp://www.trnsys.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>>>> From: "Marion Hiller" <hiller at transsolar.com>
>>>>> To: trnsys-users <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:14:43 +0200
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS3D plugin question
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Lampros,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When I saved and reopen the idf file, Outiner window showed 17 shading
>>>>> objects (!) see attached idf file. Even though I believe that it
>>>>> automatically created one object per surface, it is important to know
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Is this normal?
>>>>>
>>>>> => Yes this is normal. Thr pluginallows you to draw several shading
>>>>> surfaces into one group because it is more convienent than creating a group
>>>>> for each surface.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Does this affect my calculations?
>>>>> => Yes, this is the required input and therefore it is working fine J
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Can I do something to make it behave properly?
>>>>> => No, this is the proper behavour
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Why does outliner window of my skp, even though it produces
>>>>> errors, shows the shading objects properly?
>>>>> => because it’s not an error.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Dipl.-Ing. Marion Hiller **
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Von:* Lampros Karalis [mailto:lkaralis at metal.ntua.gr]
>>>>> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 13. April 2011 15:23
>>>>> *An:* trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>>>> *Cc:* lkaralis at gmail.com
>>>>> *Betreff:* [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS3D plugin question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am working with the latest version of the TRNSYS 3d plugin on windows
>>>>> XP and using the trnsys 17.00019 version of the simulation Studio.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I already have sketched my building and defined the zones in it, as
>>>>> described on the manual.
>>>>>
>>>>> The most common problems I have met so far have to do with some error
>>>>> messages when I try to use the skp file. However I read Mr. ‘s Duffy note
>>>>> that we should only use the idf file, and therefore I did not worry.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My main problem begun when I started drawing the shadow objects that
>>>>> affect my building. I did defined the objects as noted on the tutorial
>>>>> (version June 2010) and on the Outliner Window I could see two Shading
>>>>> Object groups, (one for the nearby building that affect mine and one for a
>>>>> second construction that is attached to my building) Please see attached skp
>>>>> file.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When I saved and reopen the idf file, Outiner window showed 17 shading
>>>>> objects (!) see attached idf file. Even though I believe that it
>>>>> automatically created one object per surface, it is important to know
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Is this normal?
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. Does this affect my calculations?
>>>>>
>>>>> 7. Can I do something to make it behave properly?
>>>>>
>>>>> 8. Why does outliner window of my skp, even though it produces
>>>>> errors, shows the shading objects properly?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Any help would be most appreciated, specially on questions #1, #2
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Lampros Karalis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> Principal
>>> Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
>>> 22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
>>> Madison, WI 53703 USA
>>>
>>> P:+1.608.274.2577
>>> F:+1.608.278.1475d.bradley at tess-inc.com
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