[TRNSYS-users] WG: 2nd error generating shading/insolation matrix -> too many shaders on projection plane

Joke De Beuckelaer joke.d at vkgroup.be
Thu Jun 9 00:15:34 PDT 2011


Dear Marion,



Again a problem :-)



Still the same project. Everything worked fine with the shading matrix.

But now I've juste changed the windows: instead of one big window it's divided into three smaller windows (see picture in attachment). All the rest is exactly the same as before.



But again an error when I want to generate the shading matrix, this time:





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So it's another kind of error. Any idea of the cause?







Kind regards,



Joke De Beuckelaer

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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: trnsys-users-bounces at cae.wisc.edu [mailto:trnsys-users-bounces at cae.wisc.edu] Namens Marion Hiller
Verzonden: donderdag 19 mei 2011 10:34
Aan: TRNSYS-users
Onderwerp: [TRNSYS-users] WG: 2nd error generating shading/insolation matrix -> too many shaders on projection plane





Dear Joke,



the previous email was sent accidentally. I didn't finish typing the equation. Please delete the previous one.





I debugged your project and it turns out that there are too many shaders



projected on the plane window/wall plane for clipping.

The shading routine isn't designed to calculate each lamella of a louver



for each window of a building. In addition each of your lamellas consist



of 6 surfaces. This results in 3040 shading surfaces!!!!



The solution is simplification without a significant loss of accuracy

(see attached image):

- delete all shading louvers except one for each orientation

- replace the six surfaces of a lamella by one sloped surface (the

diagonal

  surface in the shading box).



For these windows a shading matrix is calculated und the shading is

calculated automatically.



For the other windows you set the external shading factor to an input.

You define Ntype 103 (IBSHAD) and Ntype 104 (IDSHAD) for the windows

with the shading matrix. For each orientations this input is calculated

by an equation in the TRNSYS Project file



SHAD_ x_y_z = 1 - (IBSHAD+IDSHAD)/Window_area /IT_x_y_z

  with

IT_x_y_z  ... total incident radiation on kJ/hr on orientation x_y_z



If you still have trouble, please send me your IDF file.



Kind regards,



Marion







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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

Von: Joke De Beuckelaer [mailto:joke.d at vkgroup.be]

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2011 08:09

An: Marion Hiller

Cc: TRNSYS-users

Betreff: RE: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Error: generating shading/insolation

matrix



Dear Marion,





It's strange that the error occurs because the surface number>999. When

I deleted all the shading except 1 rectangle, the same error occurred.

Or is this number (999) with the surfaces of the model included?



In attachment you can find the original idf file. Normally I've send all



my files already, didn't you receive them?



I'm working with Trnsys version 17.00.0018.







Thanks a lot already for all your help and I hope you can find the

problem,

Kind regards,



Joke De Beuckelaer

project engineer mep





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Belgium

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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----

Van: Marion Hiller [mailto:hiller at transsolar.com]

Verzonden: dinsdag 17 mei 2011 13:27

Aan: Joke De Beuckelaer

CC: TRNSYS-users

Onderwerp: AW: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Error: generating shading/insolation

matrix



Joke,



the error message is due to too surface numbers > 999. The surface

number can't be written in the log file (artsmetiers7_shd.log) and ***

are written instead.



*** Notice at time        :         0.000000

 Orientation of wall   SURF=***: azimuth angle= 180.00°, slope=  90.00°

 Orientation of wall   SURF=***: azimuth angle=   0.00°, slope=   0.00°



In order to see why the surface numbers are so high (starting with

3993 instead of 1) I need to need the original *.idf and check the

import function.



With what version of TRNSYS17 are you working? I have in mind that we

fixed such a bug created by the import.



Kind regards,



Marion







-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

Von: Joke De Beuckelaer [mailto:joke.d at vkgroup.be]

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Mai 2011 08:58

An: duffy at tess-inc.com; trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu

Betreff: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Error: generating shading/insolation matrix



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