[TRNSYS-users] after TRNFlow update, run to visual studio?
王洋
wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com
Fri Feb 18 02:26:34 PST 2011
Dear all,
Please tell me: All the program is OK, but after I update the TRNFlow, I
want to RUN or EDIT Building, it appears at once Visual Studio Debugger
Window! I cann't RUN the .tpf file and Edit building.
PLEASE tell me how to solve with it?
I'm extremely worried!
Many thanks!
Br.
wang
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> 1. Heating?radiative part & ideal heating (??)
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> From: 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:49:57 +0100
> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Heating：radiative part & ideal heating
> Dear all,
>
> 1. Please tell me what's meaning of RADIATIVE PART in HEATING option?
> If the heating are Radiator and Convector, how to define this RADIATIVE
> PART? What's percent to set? 0 or other?
>
> 2. I defined a set point indoor temperature:20C from 8 am to 6 pm,
> other time is 18 C in the test room . I used the HEATING to realize it, but
> the heating is ideal heating. Please tell me what's the meaning of ideal
> heating?
>
> The result is the indoor temperature can get to the set point at once and
> no time delay, so I cann't get the THERMAL TIME CONSTANT of the test room.
> But my professor let me use TRNSYS to verify the result of using TRNSYS to
> calculate the time constant and actual measurement test room result of time
> constant. Please tell me how to get the thermal time constant of the test
> room using TRNSYS? Or how to explain to my professor the ideal heating?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> br.
>
> wang
>
>
> 2011/2/17 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
>
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> 1. Please tell me what's meaning of RADIATIVE PART in HEATING
>> option? If the heating are Radiator and Convector, how to define this
>> RADIATIVE PART? What's percent to set? 0 or other?
>>
>> 2. I defined a set point indoor temperature:20C from 8 am to 6 pm,
>> other time is 18 C in the test room . I used the HEATING to realize it, but
>> the heating is ideal heating. Please tell me what's the meaning of ideal
>> heating?
>>
>> The result is the indoor temperature can get to the set point at once
>> and no time delay, so I cann't get the THERMAL TIME CONSTANT of the test
>> room. But my professor let me use TRNSYS to verify the result of using
>> TRNSYS to calculate the time constant and actual measurement test room
>> result of time constant. Please tell me how to get the thermal time constant
>> of the test room using TRNSYS? Or how to explain to my professor the ideal
>> heating?
>>
>> Many thanks!
>>
>> br.
>>
>> wang
>>
>>
>>
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>>> Today's Topics:
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>>> 1. Re: PV Powered electrical heat pump (David BRADLEY)
>>> 2. Re: length and witdh from the collector area (David BRADLEY)
>>> 3. Re: type2b Controller (David BRADLEY)
>>> 4. WALL TRANSFERFUNCTION CALCULATIONS &TIMEBASE (??)
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>>> To: gzlv <gzlv at sjtu.edu.cn>
>>> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:11:13 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] PV Powered electrical heat pump
>>> Guangzhao,
>>> You will find various heat pump models (air-to-air, water-to-air,
>>> air-to-water, and water-to-water) in the TESS HVAC Library. I would
>>> recommend running your Type56 building in temperature level control instead
>>> of letting it calculate cooling load. You'll need a thermostat model to turn
>>> on and off the heat pump but then your heat pump model will report the
>>> required power, which you can match up to your PV array output. You may need
>>> some battery storage in case your cooling load does not match up perfectly
>>> with the electricity supplied by your PV.
>>> Kind regards,
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/16/2011 01:57, gzlv wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, I am trying to model a PV powered air conditioning system. I want
>>> to know which type can be treated as an electrical heat pump that can
>>> get cooling load and heating load from type 56. I want to conect it with
>>> type 48.
>>>
>>> 2011-02-16
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Guangzhao Lv
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>>> To: "Sancho,Fernando" <fsancho at sonnenwaermeag.de>
>>> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:38:24 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] length and witdh from the collector area
>>> Fernando,
>>> I think you'd be best off trying different combinations of modules in
>>> series and in parallel. I do not know of any flat-plate collector models
>>> that allow you to specify the panel length. Most of them rely on a quadratic
>>> efficiency curve that is typically experimentally determined for a given
>>> collector configuration. They do not do first-principals computations of the
>>> collector fin efficiency equations. If you are looking for a reference that
>>> will give you information on how to compute such things, I would recommend
>>> "Solar Engineering of Thermal Processes"
>>> Regards,
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/16/2011 04:48, Sancho,Fernando wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello TRNSYS-users,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m making simulations with plastic collector. Many from the commercial
>>> models can be resized, so it’s almost free how to configurate the collector
>>> area. I would like to find an optimal distribution, dependent of course on
>>> Radiation, temperatures etc…, basically how long and width for a minimum
>>> output temperature of the fluid. Or just what is the best for a certain
>>> situation 10m*30m or 30m*10m ?.
>>>
>>> I ´ve already done my calculations with Excel and know that longer means
>>> higher output temperature but lower energy gain… but with trnsys it’s
>>> difficult to face the problem ,
>>>
>>> do I take a standard unit and probe around different series und parallel
>>> distributions L ?
>>>
>>> Do type 553 and 559 in TESS TRn17 do that; difference width and length (I
>>> didn’t find it in the general pdf… and have just occasionally access to
>>> TRNSYS17)?
>>>
>>> Any advice or experience?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So Thanks a lot!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>>>
>>> Fernando Sancho Márquez
>>>
>>> PHÖNIX SonnenWärme AG
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________
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>>>
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>>>
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>>> --
>>> ***************************
>>> David BRADLEY
>>> Principal
>>> Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
>>> 22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
>>> Madison, WI 53703 USA
>>>
>>> P:+1.608.274.2577
>>> F:+1.608.278.1475d.bradley at tess-inc.com
>>> http://www.tess-inc.comhttp://www.trnsys.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>>> To: Hanani Abd Wahab <ha65 at waikato.ac.nz>
>>> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:06:48 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] type2b Controller
>>> Hanani,
>>> I know nothing about programming in Simulink but you can probably take a
>>> look at the source code for type2 (c:\TrnsysXX\SourceCode\Types\Type2.for)
>>> using a text editor and understand better how it makes use of the inputs.
>>> regards,
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/15/2011 21:55, Hanani Abd Wahab wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to build the same type2b controller in Simulink. What I
>>>> understand is I can create using simple relay control in Simulink
>>>> model.In relay model, I just set switch on point 10, switch off point
>>>> 2 (as same as dead band value in TRNSYS). 'Th' I set as input to
>>>> relay. But how about Tl and Tin? In type2b there is 6 inputs consist
>>>> of Th,Tl,Tin, Input control function , Upper dT dan Lower dT.
>>>>
>>>> Really appreciate any help or idea...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks& Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> ***************************
>>> David BRADLEY
>>> Principal
>>> Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
>>> 22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
>>> Madison, WI 53703 USA
>>>
>>> P:+1.608.274.2577
>>> F:+1.608.278.1475
>>> d.bradley at tess-inc.com
>>>
>>> http://www.tess-inc.com
>>> http://www.trnsys.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
>>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:21:44 +0100
>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] WALL TRANSFERFUNCTION CALCULATIONS &TIMEBASE
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I met this error:
>>>
>>>
>>> ***** WALL TRANSFERFUNCTION CALCULATIONS *****
>>>
>>> UNABLE TO FIND A ROOT AFTER INDICATION THAT A ROOT EXISTED
>>>
>>> CHECK THE WALL TYPE AFTER THE LAST CALCULATED WALL
>>> OFTEN THE WALL CAPACITY IS TO SMALL TO CALCULATE A TRANSFER FUNCTION !
>>>
>>> CHECK ALSO YOUR TIMEBASE !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Attached is INF file, Please check it!
>>>
>>>
>>> And I make the timebase larger, but it still doesn't work.
>>>
>>> Many thanks!
>>>
>>> Br.
>>>
>>> wang
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. length and witdh from the collector area (Sancho,Fernando)
>>>> 2. Re: g95 compiler (Francois Badinier)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>>> From: "Sancho,Fernando" <fsancho at sonnenwaermeag.de>
>>>> To: <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>>>> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:48:55 +0100
>>>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] length and witdh from the collector area
>>>>
>>>> Hello TRNSYS-users,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’m making simulations with plastic collector. Many from the commercial
>>>> models can be resized, so it’s almost free how to configurate the collector
>>>> area. I would like to find an optimal distribution, dependent of course on
>>>> Radiation, temperatures etc…, basically how long and width for a minimum
>>>> output temperature of the fluid. Or just what is the best for a certain
>>>> situation 10m*30m or 30m*10m ?.
>>>>
>>>> I ´ve already done my calculations with Excel and know that longer means
>>>> higher output temperature but lower energy gain… but with trnsys it’s
>>>> difficult to face the problem ,
>>>>
>>>> do I take a standard unit and probe around different series und parallel
>>>> distributions L ?
>>>>
>>>> Do type 553 and 559 in TESS TRn17 do that; difference width and length
>>>> (I didn’t find it in the general pdf… and have just occasionally access to
>>>> TRNSYS17)?
>>>>
>>>> Any advice or experience?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So Thanks a lot!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>>>>
>>>> Fernando Sancho Márquez
>>>>
>>>> PHÖNIX SonnenWärme AG
>>>>
>>>> ____________________________________________
>>>> PHÖNIX Sonnenwärme AG
>>>> Ostendstr. 1
>>>>
>>>> D-12459 Berlin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>>> From: "Francois Badinier" <francois.badinier at icax.co.uk>
>>>> To: <mabadie at univ-lr.fr>, <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>>>> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:02:13 -0000
>>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] g95 compiler
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>> If you still want to use g95, an alternative is to define T0, Tfinal and
>>>> Timestep as parameters in our new component. The only drawback is that
>>>> you
>>>> have to be careful to change those values whenever you change them in
>>>> the
>>>> simulation studio.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> François Badinier
>>>> Development Engineer
>>>> ICAX Ltd
>>>> 1 Berry Street
>>>> London EC1M 5PS
>>>> francois.badinier at icax.co.uk
>>>> www.icax.co.uk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: trnsys-users-bounces at cae.wisc.edu
>>>> [mailto:trnsys-users-bounces at cae.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of
>>>> mabadie at univ-lr.fr
>>>> Sent: 14 February 2011 11:57
>>>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] g95 compiler
>>>>
>>>> Danny and David,
>>>>
>>>> I actually successfully used the G95 compiler with TRNSYS 16 to create
>>>> new components. However, i was not able to properly used TRNSYS
>>>> variables (such as getSimulationTime()) in my TYPES. The only solution
>>>> i found was to stop using this compiler and buying Intel Fortran v11.
>>>>
>>>> I hope you will find a way to fix that problem as it is nice to have
>>>> the choice of a free/light fortran compiler.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> -- Marc O. Abadie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> > Danny,
>>>> > getSimulationTime is a function that is defined in the data module
>>>> > called "TrnsysFunctions." When compiling an external Type in either
>>>> > the Compaq or the Intel compilers, I have to make sure that the
>>>> > compiler is set to look for data modules (sometimes called MOD
>>>> > files) in the ..\Trnsys17\Compilers\IVF111\Debug\ directory or else
>>>> > copy them to some other place where they can be found by the
>>>> > compiler. My understanding is that this tells the compiler "don't
>>>> > worry, even though I haven't defined this function called
>>>> > getSimulationTime() in my external Type242.dll, you'll find that
>>>> > function during run-time because my dll will be called by a dll in
>>>> > which the function is defined"
>>>> >
>>>> > I don't know how the G95 compiler handles settings for where to
>>>> > look for *.mod files but this is not specific to Trnsys17, there
>>>> > were a number of TrnsysFunctions called by Types in Trnsys16 as
>>>> > well. We have just expanded their use in Trnsys17.
>>>> > best,
>>>> > David
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 2/11/2011 11:12, Danny Jonas wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dear TRNSYS users,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I have use the directions in the document, but after starting the
>>>> >> batch file to compile my own type I've received the following
>>>> >> message:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "In file Type201.for:72
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Time=getSimulationTime<>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Error: Function 'getsimulationtime' at <1> has no implicit type"
>>>> >>
>>>> >> could the error be associated with using TRNSYS17?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Using the example (type242), I can build the type242.dll.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'm now trying to use C++, till now it works fine. But I still
>>>> >> don't understand why it doesn't work with the batch file as fortran
>>>> >> code....
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks a lot,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Best Regards,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Danny
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Von: Daniel Bergey [mailto:daniel at buildingscience.com]
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Februar 2011 21:14
>>>> >>
>>>> >> An: Danny Jonas
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Betreff: Re: [TRNSYS-users] g95 compiler
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I have successfully compiled a couple of components using
>>>> >> directions in the attached document. I don't recall the URL whence
>>>> >> I downloaded it originally. Sorry about the doc format; let me
>>>> >> know if I should convert it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Daniel
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 01:33:49PM +0100, Danny Jonas wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Dear TRNSYS users,
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> I want to use the free g95 compiler to create my own components
>>>> >>> in TRNSYS.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> I have found the following message in the TRNSYS-users Archives:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> [1]
>>>> http://mailman.cae.wisc.edu/pipermail/trnsys-users/2008/003957.html
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> with the following link:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> [2]http://software.cstb.fr/main/articles.asp?langue=us
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> But this page no longer exists.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Can someone send a link where I can download this example?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Danny
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> References
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Visible links
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> 1.
>>>> http://mailman.cae.wisc.edu/pipermail/trnsys-users/2008/003957.html
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> 2. http://software.cstb.fr/main/articles.asp?langue=us
>>>> >>
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>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > ***************************
>>>> > David BRADLEY
>>>> > Principal
>>>> > Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
>>>> > 22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
>>>> > Madison, WI 53703 USA
>>>> >
>>>> > P:+1.608.274.2577
>>>> > F:+1.608.278.1475
>>>> > d.bradley at tess-inc.com
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.tess-inc.com
>>>> > http://www.trnsys.com
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
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