[TRNSYS-users] R How to open *.tpf and *.bui files of Trnsys 15 using trnsys 17

David BRADLEY d.bradley at tess-inc.com
Fri Apr 15 09:31:15 PDT 2011


Wang,
  I just tried and it looks as though File: Open works as expected. The 
Trnsys17 Studio is used for opening *.tpf files; it will make its best 
attempt at automatically updating certain simulation parameters that 
changed between Trnsys15 and Trnsys16. TRNBuild is used for opening 
*.bui files; it will ask you to redefine your window data as window data 
was stored in an external file and not in the *.bui itself with Trnsys15.
David


On 4/15/2011 03:18, � wrote:
> Dear all,
>
>
> How to open *.tpf and *.bui files of Trnsys 15 using trnsys 17? Please 
> tell me the detailed steps!
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> br.
>
> wang
>
> 2011/4/14 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>>
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>           1. Re: time delay by means of type 93 (input value   recall)
>              (David BRADLEY)
>           2. Re: type 860 PCM Storage Units (David BRADLEY)
>           3. Re: Ground Convection coefficient (David BRADLEY)
>           4. Re: TRNSYS3D plugin question (Marion Hiller)
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>         From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com
>         <mailto:d.bradley at tess-inc.com>>
>         To: Stefan Wachter <wachter at mail.hs-ulm.de
>         <mailto:wachter at mail.hs-ulm.de>>
>         Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:44:56 -0500
>         Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] time delay by means of type 93
>         (input value recall)
>         Stefan,
>           Type93 simply holds onto a value for as many time steps as
>         you ask it to, then "releases" the value. The control ought to
>         work the same regardless of the system size. I am not sure
>         what you mean by "continuous" controllers. If you mean that
>         there are some controllers that continuously modify a flow
>         rate in order to maintain an outlet temperature then a simple
>         time delay might cause some problems. You might look at some
>         of the controllers available in the TESS Controllers Library
>         (for Trnsys17) as there are a number of devices in there with
>         minimum run times and start-delays.
>         Best,
>          David
>
>
>         On 4/8/2011 04:05, Stefan Wachter wrote:
>>         Hello everybody,
>>         I am new at trnsys-users.
>>         Currently I`m modeling an already existing solar heating
>>         system (for hot water).
>>         In this system the loading pump is activated by a time delay
>>         of 4 minutes (after solar pump is launched).
>>         I tried to model this as follows:
>>         - simulation time step: 2 minutes
>>         - storage of the control signal of the solar pump over the
>>         last two time steps by means of type 93 (input value recall)
>>         - if the control signal of the solar pump is "1" in the
>>         stored two time steps, then the loading pump is launched.
>>         It works (tried by a simple example deck) but does it
>>         also works in context with a quite big deck (120 m² apertur
>>         area, 2 continuous controllers)?
>>         I`m concerned about that the small time step of 2 minutes
>>         could cause problems (for example oscillations of the
>>         controllers).
>>         Could this work or have someone of you another idea how i can
>>         solve this problem?
>>         Thanks a lot.
>>         Best regards.
>>         Stefan Wachter
>>
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>         From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com
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>         To: Filippo Busato <busato at gest.unipd.it
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>         Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:11:52 -0500
>         Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] type 860 PCM Storage Units
>         Filippo,
>          I am not familiar with Type860. However, there is a PCM wall
>         material component available in the user-donated Type library
>         (TRNLib).
>
>         http://sel.me.wisc.edu/trnsys/trnlib/library16.htm
>
>         best,
>          David
>
>
>         On 4/13/2011 07:52, Filippo Busato wrote:
>>
>>         Hi everybody,
>>
>>                        I found in the report “Simulation Models of
>>         PCM storage units” (IEA Report C5 Subtask C) that a Type 860
>>         has been developed by the Institute HEIG-VD in
>>         Yverdon-les-Bains Switzerland, by Jacques Bony and Stephane
>>         Citherlet.
>>
>>         I would like to know if that type is distributed and whom
>>         could I get/buy that from.
>>
>>         Can anyone help?
>>
>>         Thanks in advance
>>
>>         Filippo Busato
>>
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>         From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com
>         <mailto:d.bradley at tess-inc.com>>
>         To: pseudomino at gmx.com <mailto:pseudomino at gmx.com>
>         Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:16:16 -0500
>         Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Ground Convection coefficient
>         As noted in TRNBuild (where you set the back side convection
>         coefficient), a value smaller than 0.001 is used to indicate
>         direct contact between a BOUNDARY wall and a temperature. A
>         large value (such as 999) is used with other wall categories
>         (ADJACENT, EXTERNAL, etc.) to indicate good thermal contact.
>         Best,
>          David
>
>
>         On 4/13/2011 10:30, pseudomino at gmx.com
>         <mailto:pseudomino at gmx.com> wrote:
>>         Hello,
>>
>>         Usually, when using the assistant to create a multizone
>>         building, the convection coefficient between the soil and the
>>         floor is set to 999 to reproduce the absence of thermal
>>         resistance.
>>
>>         But when I create a file using the Trnsys3D import from
>>         Sketchup, this same coefficient is set by default to 0,001.
>>         Why is that ?
>>
>>         Please help me understand
>>
>>
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>         From: "Marion Hiller" <hiller at transsolar.com
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>         Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:14:43 +0200
>         Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS3D plugin question
>
>         Dear Lampros,
>
>         When I saved and reopen the idf file, Outiner window showed 17
>         shading objects (!) see attached idf file. Even though I
>         believe that it automatically created one object per surface,
>         it is important to know
>
>         1.Is this normal?
>
>         => Yes this is normal. Thr pluginallows you to draw several
>         shading surfaces into one group because it is more convienent
>         than creating a group for each surface.
>
>         2.Does this affect my calculations?
>         => Yes, this is the required input and therefore it is working
>         fine J
>
>         3.Can I do something to make it behave properly?
>         => No, this is the proper behavour
>
>         4.Why does outliner window of my skp,  even though it produces
>         errors, shows the shading objects properly?
>         => because it’s not an error.
>
>         Best regards,
>
>         Marion
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>         *Von:*Lampros Karalis [mailto:lkaralis at metal.ntua.gr
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>         *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 13. April 2011 15:23
>         *An:* trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu <mailto:trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>         *Cc:* lkaralis at gmail.com <mailto:lkaralis at gmail.com>
>         *Betreff:* [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS3D plugin question
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>         Dear All,
>
>         I am working with the latest version of the TRNSYS 3d plugin
>         on windows XP and using the trnsys 17.00019 version of the
>         simulation Studio.
>
>         I already have sketched my building and defined the zones in
>         it, as described on the manual.
>
>         The most common problems I have met so far have to do with
>         some error messages when I try to use the skp file. However I
>         read Mr. ‘s Duffy note that we should only use the idf file,
>         and therefore I did not worry.
>
>         My main problem begun when I started drawing the shadow
>         objects that affect my building.  I did defined the objects as
>         noted on the tutorial (version June 2010) and on the Outliner
>         Window I could see two Shading Object groups, (one for the
>         nearby building that affect mine and one for a second
>         construction that is attached to my building) Please see
>         attached skp file.
>
>         When I saved and reopen the idf file, Outiner window showed 17
>         shading objects (!) see attached idf file. Even though I
>         believe that it automatically created one object per surface,
>         it is important to know
>
>         5.Is this normal?
>
>         6.Does this affect my calculations?
>
>         7.Can I do something to make it behave properly?
>
>         8.Why does outliner window of my skp,  even though it produces
>         errors, shows the shading objects properly?
>
>         Any help would be most appreciated, specially on questions #1, #2
>
>         Best Regards
>
>         Lampros Karalis
>
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