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Dear Chiara,
yes you are right. Use HTC =  0.01 kJ/k m² (not a smaller value!!!) for inside and outside to make the virtual window surface temperature approach Tsky.

Best
Jakob Merk

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Jakob Merk
TRNSYS Software Team

Transsolar Energietechnik GmbH
Curiestraße 2
70563 Stuttgart
Fax:        +49 711 67976-11
Email:    hotline at transsolar.com<mailto:hotline at transsolar.com>
Web:      www.trnsys.de<http://www.trnsys.de/>



Von: TRNSYS-users [mailto:trnsys-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] Im Auftrag von Chiara Colucci
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. April 2016 12:16
An: TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org
Betreff: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Trnsys17

Hi Jakob, thank you for the reply. I think I will use the solution 1. About this I would like to know why you talk only inside HTC. Also outside HTC has to be small?
Best regard
Chiara

2016-04-22 13:12 GMT+02:00 hotline <hotline at transsolar.com<mailto:hotline at transsolar.com>>:
Dear Chiara,

A virtual surface isn’t the appropriate approach.
Virtual surfaces should be used  as adjacent surfaces between zones in SketchUp which are merged into one zone with multiple airnodes.

A virtual surface isn’t a heat transfer surface, it doesn’t exist in the thermal model. Thus, the error
message is correct. The volume of the canyon zone  isn’t closed and therefore no view factor matrix
could be calculated.

Modelling outdoor space isn’t  a straightforward task.

Solution 1
In order to generate a closed volume of the canyon and allow solar radiation to penetrate into the zone
you need a window. To do the shortwave solar correct you may use a so-called “no window” which has a transparency of 100 %.

However, this surface has a temperature and thereby influences the zone air temperature by its inside convections
heat transfer coefficient (HTC) and the longwave exchange by its temperature.

For reducing the influence on the air temperature you may define the  inside HTC to be small (like 0.01 kJ/k m²).
For longwave radiation exchange the window temperature should be approximately the sky temperature.
However, you can’t fix a temperature of window. You have to try to calculate a surface gain such that the
Temperature is close and the model is still converging.

Solution 2
You use solution 1 for calculating the incident radiation (total and direct) on the window and use this radiation
as input to a model which doesn’t contain a “canyon zone”.  For longwave radiation exchange you have to
estimate the “effective ground temperature”.


All the best
The Transsolar Software Team

_________________________________________________________________________________________________

Jakob Merk
TRNSYS Software Team

Transsolar Energietechnik GmbH
Curiestraße 2
70563 Stuttgart
Fax:        +49 711 67976-11<tel:%2B49%20711%2067976-11>
Email:    hotline at transsolar.com<mailto:hotline at transsolar.com>
Web:      www.trnsys.de<http://www.trnsys.de/>



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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. April 2016 16:49
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