[UA] Minor cards

[John Scott]

At 19:51 16/02/2003 +0000, Ed wrote:
>Just a couple of ideas about the main arcana (sorry to be picky):
>
>The Martyr fits better with the Hanged man symbolically (IMHO), as it has a
>longer history of association. Also link with the haziness of the ultimate
>martyr's death (Jesus seems to have been hanged according to the first
>gospels, only one of them even mention a crucifix). Just my idea.

Sorry, Ed, but that's rubbish.

Using the King James translation (Not my choice of text, but one that most 
people can at least find:)

Matt: 27:35  "And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting 
lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They 
parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots."

Mark: 15:25 "And it was the third hour, and they crucified him."

Luke: 23:33 "And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, 
there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and 
the other on the left."

John 19:18 "Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either 
side one, and Jesus in the midst."

Without going into the whole synoptic thing and the Quelle source, I think 
it's pretty obvious that modern translations (and I'm counting the KJV as 
modern) all agree that Jesus was crucified.

Of course, if you want to quote from the original Greek or Aramaic, please 
feel free.

John





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