RES: [UA] Old groups and power

[DL]

Hi Mario! Long time no see ya!

Well, i end meant both kinds of rituals. Epoch call the case of the
Cryptomancers, and in this case, is more than right they have problems,
since they draw directly from the IC/Avatars. But some rituals/ritualistic
methods, call for another kind of resonance. I mean, I picture UA as the
real world, with only one difference: the OU exists. And yes, i believe that
some really weird stuff happens in real world, call me superticious if you
want. And if we extrapolate the real world paranormality, we can think about
all the stuff we think is bs, that could be real. I know focault's pendulum
is like an apocrith (i know when im spelling wrong, i just dont know right
now how to correct it) when used in this list, since UA was exactly one
attempt (very well suceeded) to make another kind of paranormal world,
without connections. Ok, but lets say they both cohexist (im mispelling
again, right?), and maybe dont realize or dont reconize the other as a true
aspect of magic. Dont you think it would be possible? Or im too stubborn? :)

[]s,

   Haroudo Xavier
   UIN 1504427
   www.geocities.com/hasfix/
   haroudo at terra.com.br

-----Mensagem original-----
De: ua-admin at lists.uchicago.edu [mailto:ua-admin at lists.uchicago.edu]Em
nome de Mario Magallanes
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 24 de abril de 2002 17:41
Para: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Assunto: Re: [UA] Old groups and power




WingedCoyote at aol.com escribió:
>
> >There are relics of old-style magic still hanging around, like the
> >golems.  But the rituals used to create the first golem wouldn't work
> >these days.
>
> I agree with what you're saying in general, but what about this? I
> mean, Blight Crops and Snowblinding work, they're old as dirt. Why not
> that one?

It depends what are we referring as "ritual". We could distinguish two
different kind

- Rituals which are part of schools of magic (like, say, hermetic
magic). These aren't really rituals, but   spells that take a large
amount of time to cast. These seem to make sense in the context of the
magic school they belong - they have some kind of simbolism.

- Rituals like Blight Crops and Snowblinding are not simbolic, or at
least they don't have a simbolism we can grasp. You go through the
motions and it works, regardless what you believe. They seem to tap into
some inner mechanism of the universe.

Now, if rituals are linked to the Statosphere, maybe changes in the
Statosphere cause that some rituals are invalidated, and you will need a
new set of actions (this is, a new ritual) to cause the same effect.
Also, new effects may become available through specific actions.

So creating golems through old hebrew magic might not work, but using
other rituals might work (i.e. the Comte can create golems). On the
other hand, there's a guy in Postmodern Magic who can work hebrew magic.

The thing is, UA is very vague about old school magic (which, IMHO, is a
good thing). Some schools won't work Other schools could work, but no
one is really interested in them, as there are ways to achieve the same
effects. Or maybe old school magic only works for people who learned
when it worked (the guy in Postmodern Magic is almost two thousand years
old). Whatever. At the end, what works and what doesn't work seems to be
GM's call.

Mario Magallanes
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