[UA] Re: Basques and piromancy

[DL]

Hello all,

            Well, piromancy was really boiling... :)
            About the political aspect of this email, im already trying to
figure out how the real thing is, by talking with Mario in private msgs. As
i said to him, im really sorry to have him offended.

> > employees of foreign enterprises that stalk the Amazon forest; the other
> > group is located in Spain, helping the Basco form a sovereign state
(they
> > are very brutal, but still fight for a "good cause").
>
> Now, as somebody who lives in Spain and has seen enough innocent people
> murdered by ETA, I should be offended by this. Basque claims for
> independence are not justified from an historic point of view, and many
> Basques don't support them. And no 'good cause' justifies murder and
> terrorism, mind you, which is exactly what ETA does.

> That, said, I'll be glad to discuss the political and social situation
> of Euskadi (that's Basque Country) with you or anyone else, but by
> private e-mail, since the list don't need to be bothered with this
> thread.
>
> Now, about UA: If the piromancers can't help evil and hurt innocent
> people, they can't be fighting for basque independence, since ETA
> attacks are rather entropic and they hurt (and kill) innocent people.

  K, probably i change that (and that's why i ask for feedback...to change
what's wrong), but there a point here still that can be discused...let's try
with a brazilian example: being a wife of military, in the 60', that cares
for him, and give him some comfort, support, even after he spends the damn
whole day torturing civilians in "pau de arara" (is a torture, where the
prisioner have it's legs and arms tied to a single suspended pole, with it's
body naked. Then he is beaten and abused for hours. I know a person that
suffered it, and still can't stopping crying when remember that), is she
really evil too? A less strained exemplo, can be of the other military ppl,
that gives are not related to the torturing of civilian, but still follows
the orders of the goverment, and keeps it's mouth shut. Or maybe, the
military that wasn't soldiers at that time, are probably children, or even,
wasn't even born, but says the military are "correct", because they have to
protect nations "security".

In all three cases, if they are piromancers, they will be crossing the
Taboo? I don't think so. In the case in the text, even if are not ETA, but
IRA, or some violent and radical islamic group, or some milicia in a south
american country, they can be on the group, and still, avoid to take a
direct action against innocent ppl. IRA members, and the same for the Holy
Crusaders, believe they are doing the good, even when killing innocent ppl.
When doing that, a piromancer will probably cross the Taboo, and lose
charges, but they are mostly, a fanatical group, obssessed with cleaning
throught destruction, and so, this is "justifiable" for then, even when they
notive they lost the charges because they have gone too far. Most probably,
when realising(? is the wrong spelling, right? -  i mean, when figuring this
out) that, they will leave the group, and follow his own morality, towards a
real good cause. But until so, they will probably hang around, helping in
day to day affairs, and even killing ppl that treatens the group they are
affiliated with.

[]s,

   Dream Lord (hsxf)
   UIN 1504427
   dreamlord at cryogen.com




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