[UA] Re: Basques and piromancy

[Mario Magallanes]

DL escribió:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
>             Well, piromancy was really boiling... :)
>             About the political aspect of this email, im already trying to
> figure out how the real thing is, by talking with Mario in private msgs. As
> i said to him, im really sorry to have him offended.

You didn't really offended me (note I said 'I should be offended'
instead 'I'm offended' :) ) I understand that media is not accurate
about social matters in other countries, and that causes misconceptions.
I'll personally admit that my only knowledge of North Ireland is the one
I get in media and movies, so if I wrote something involving the IRA, I
could commit the same type of mistake. 

I have accessed my private account recently, and read your message. I've
been somewhat busy to reply since past saturday a whacko killed his
family with a katana, and seems it could be RPGs involved, so I've been
following threads in other e-mail lists and watching the media. 

I still have to write detailed replies to you and Greg, and I promise to
do it soon.

> > Now, about UA: If the piromancers can't help evil and hurt innocent
> > people, they can't be fighting for basque independence, since ETA
> > attacks are rather entropic and they hurt (and kill) innocent people.
> 
>   K, probably i change that (and that's why i ask for feedback...to change
> what's wrong), but there a point here still that can be discused...let's try
> with a brazilian example: being a wife of military, in the 60', that cares
> for him, and give him some comfort, support, even after he spends the damn
> whole day torturing civilians in "pau de arara" (is a torture, where the
> prisioner have it's legs and arms tied to a single suspended pole, with it's
> body naked. Then he is beaten and abused for hours. I know a person that
> suffered it, and still can't stopping crying when remember that), is she
> really evil too? A less strained exemplo, can be of the other military ppl,
> that gives are not related to the torturing of civilian, but still follows
> the orders of the goverment, and keeps it's mouth shut. Or maybe, the
> military that wasn't soldiers at that time, are probably children, or even,
> wasn't even born, but says the military are "correct", because they have to
> protect nations "security".
> 
> In all three cases, if they are piromancers, they will be crossing the
> Taboo? I don't think so. In the case in the text, even if are not ETA, but
> IRA, or some violent and radical islamic group, or some milicia in a south
> american country, they can be on the group, and still, avoid to take a
> direct action against innocent ppl. IRA members, and the same for the Holy
> Crusaders, believe they are doing the good, even when killing innocent ppl.
> When doing that, a piromancer will probably cross the Taboo, and lose
> charges, but they are mostly, a fanatical group, obssessed with cleaning
> throught destruction, and so, this is "justifiable" for then, even when they
> notive they lost the charges because they have gone too far. Most probably,
> when realising(? is the wrong spelling, right? -  i mean, when figuring this
> out) that, they will leave the group, and follow his own morality, towards a
> real good cause. But until so, they will probably hang around, helping in
> day to day affairs, and even killing ppl that treatens the group they are
> affiliated with.

I understood reading the text the piromancers were a foreign
group (not Basque) helping ETA because they thought their cause was
just. This would be unlikely, as any foreigner would eventually see the
real situation. However I think a cabal of piromancers who were members
of ETA would be possible, but they should be rather deluded and fanatic
(or at least, as deluded and fanatic as any terrorist). These 
piromancers would concentrate their attacks on opressor forces (military
and national-wide police forces, and possibly some politicians) and
avoid harming other targets. ETA itself has 'factions', and not all of
them have the same opinions about targets (indeed, some terrorists have
been killed by other terrorist that judged them 'traitors') 


-Mario Magallanes.

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