[UA] PoMoMa NC17

[Kevin Elmore]

> 
> I can't imagine it's the nipples that are doing it - I'm 
> sure that most WW books have a much larger nipple count. 

Other books have things even riskier than nipples.  Have
you seen the Bloodshadows books (Masterbook system from
West End Games)?  One book has a picture of an orgy,
including two men kissing (how's that for your average
homophobic, clueless teenager?).  Other pictures have very
naked women along with some lesbian themes.  I don't recall
any penises, though.

> 2. Dual standards. White Wolf are a big company, so
> nipples 
> are OK in their books. Atlas are small, ergo nipples bad.

I almost feel this is the reason.  However, that's because
of the debacle surrounding the creators of South Park. 
They made a movie called Orgazmo which received a rating of
NC-17 and portrayed a minimal of nudity (from what I heard;
I have not had the pleasure of seeing this) and typical
amounts of objectionable material.  South Park, the movie,
is a lot worse, yet it was given an R.  Trey Parker said
over and over again that South Park only received an R
because it was backed by a major studio while his little
independent film had no power behind it.

Even if that was the case with White Wolf and Atlas, I
can't imagine that gaming stores would intentionally follow
a double standard.  There would be nothing to gain.  I
doubt that White Wolf goons are threatening a boycott or
something if a store doesn't display Vampire books.  

Speaking of which, I think the most disturbing picture I've
seen in a gaming book goes to the Montreal Sourcebook for
Vampire, published by Black Dog.

There is a full-page picture of a naked woman chained to a
urinal in a public restroom, bleeding where she sat on the
tile floor.  A woman (I presume a vampire) examines a vial
of blood.  She wears a strap-on dildo dripping blood.  That
easily exceeds the carnal in terms of tastelessness.


Speaking of the carnal, I have a question on
interpretation.  I never thought of it as just a penis.  I
thought of it as a penis with a vagina underneath (as if it
was able to bend over and violate itself).  Has anyone else
seen it that way?

After reading your messages, I'm thinking that perhaps I
saw that because I just figured a manifestation of a
violent sex crime should have forms of both sexes.  

Kevin




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