[TRNSYS-users] Problem of pane temperature divergence
Pauline GELIN
p.gelin at katene.fr
Sun Oct 5 23:53:14 PDT 2014
Marion,
Thanks a lot for your proposal.
Please find attached the different files of my project.
I thank you very much in advance for any help you could give me.
Best Regards,
Cordialement,
Pauline GELIN
Ingénieur Conception environnementale
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10 avenue des canuts
69120 VAULX EN VELIN
T : 04.37.45.33.33
Ligne directe : 04.37.45.33.47
www.katene.coop
www.quadriplus-groupe.com<http://www.quadriplus-groupe.com/>
www.woopa.coop<http://www.woopa.coop/>
De : TRNSYS-users [mailto:trnsys-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] De la part de Marion Hiller
Envoyé : lundi 6 octobre 2014 08:43
À : 'TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org'
Objet : Re: [TRNSYS-users] Problem of pane temperature divergence
Pauline,
it is hard to tell without looking at your project.
If you send the project, I can have a look at it.
Marion
Von: TRNSYS-users [mailto:trnsys-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] Im Auftrag von Pauline GELIN
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Oktober 2014 17:02
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Betreff: [TRNSYS-users] Problem of pane temperature divergence
Hi,
like many users I have a problem of divergent temperatures for all my windows (see message below) with a simple TRNBUILD project, with constant CHTC always used in my previous studies, with 2 types 93 for gain calculations (I think no link with my problem).
I tried all proposals from mailing list in TRNSYS mailing list archive without success.
Does anyone have an idea?
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Thank you very in advance for any help.
Best Regards,
Cordialement,
Pauline GELIN
Ingénieur Conception environnementale
[cid:image007.jpg at 01CFE142.F7217590]
[cid:image005.jpg at 01CFE142.F7217590]
10 avenue des canuts
69120 VAULX EN VELIN
T : 04.37.45.33.33
Ligne directe : 04.37.45.33.47
www.katene.coop
www.quadriplus-groupe.com<http://www.quadriplus-groupe.com/>
www.woopa.coop<http://www.woopa.coop/>
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* FOR BUILDING: J:\...
* GET BY WORKING WITH TRNBuild 1.0 for Windows
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WINDOW 4.1 DOE-2 Data File : Multi Band Calculation
Unit System : SI
Name : TRNSYS15 WINDOW LIB
Desc : Saint Gobain CLIMAPLUS FUTUR AR 1.1 4/15/4
Window ID : 13002
Tilt : 90.0
Glazings : 2
Frame : 11 TRNSYS WIN - 1 2.270
Spacer : 1 Class1 2.330 -0.010 0.138
Total Height: 1600.0 mm
Total Width : 1250.0 mm
Glass Height: 1460.3 mm
Glass Width : 1110.3 mm
Mullion : None
Gap Thick Cond dCond Vis dVis Dens dDens Pr dPr
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2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
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SC: 0.60
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Tir 0.000 0.000 0 0 0 0
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Emis B 0.840 0.840 0 0 0 0
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Overall and Center of Glass Ig U-values (W/m2-C)
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Solar WdSpd hcout hrout hin
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TYPES
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*
*--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
* L a y e r s
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CONDUCTIVITY= 0.137 : CAPACITY= 1.45 : DENSITY= 35
LAYER PSETH32
CONDUCTIVITY= 0.115 : CAPACITY= 1.45 : DENSITY= 35
LAYER PUR
CONDUCTIVITY= 0.086 : CAPACITY= 1.45 : DENSITY= 40
LAYER BA13
CONDUCTIVITY= 1.152 : CAPACITY= 1.00 : DENSITY= 900
LAYER LV_FP
CONDUCTIVITY= 0.180 : CAPACITY= 1.03 : DENSITY= 80
LAYER TERRE
CONDUCTIVITY= 3.960 : CAPACITY= 1.00 : DENSITY= 1500
LAYER FLOCAGE
CONDUCTIVITY= 0.148 : CAPACITY= 1.03 : DENSITY= 150
LAYER PSETH30
CONDUCTIVITY= 0.108 : CAPACITY= 1.45 : DENSITY= 30
LAYER CBR
RESISTANCE= 0.550
LAYER AIR
RESISTANCE= 0.044
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WALL MIN1
LAYERS = BÉTON_LOUR
THICKNESS= 0.15
ABS-FRONT= 0.2 : ABS-BACK= 0.2
EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9
HFRONT = 16.2 : HBACK= 16.2
WALL MIN2
LAYERS = BA13 LVTH38 BA13
THICKNESS= 0.013 0.075 0.013
ABS-FRONT= 0.2 : ABS-BACK= 0.2
EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9
HFRONT = 16.2 : HBACK= 16.2
WALL MEE2
LAYERS = BÉTON_LOUR PSETH38
THICKNESS= 0.2 0.18
ABS-FRONT= 0.2 : ABS-BACK= 0.6
EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9
HFRONT = 16.2 : HBACK= 43.2
WALL MEE3
LAYERS = BÉTON_LOUR PSETH30
THICKNESS= 0.2 0.12
ABS-FRONT= 0.2 : ABS-BACK= 0.2
EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9
HFRONT = 16.2 : HBACK= 16.2
WALL MII1
LAYERS = BÉTON_LOUR PSETH32
THICKNESS= 0.2 0.08
ABS-FRONT= 0.2 : ABS-BACK= 0.2
EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9
HFRONT = 16.2 : HBACK= 16.2
WALL PBTP1
LAYERS = BÉTON_LOUR PSETH30
THICKNESS= 0.2 0.1
ABS-FRONT= 0.8 : ABS-BACK= 0
EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9
HFRONT = 23.8 : HBACK= 0
WALL PBVS2
LAYERS = BÉTON_LOUR FLOCAGE
THICKNESS= 0.2 0.12
ABS-FRONT= 0.8 : ABS-BACK= 0.1
EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9
HFRONT = 23.8 : HBACK= 11
WALL PBEXT1
LAYERS = BÉTON_LOUR FLOCAGE
THICKNESS= 0.2 0.15
ABS-FRONT= 0.8 : ABS-BACK= 0.6
EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9
HFRONT = 23.8 : HBACK= 64
WALL PIN1
LAYERS = BÉTON_LOUR
THICKNESS= 0.2
ABS-FRONT= 0.1 : ABS-BACK= 0.8
EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9
HFRONT = 11 : HBACK= 23.8
WALL PIN2
LAYERS = LV_FP AIR BÉTON_LOUR
THICKNESS= 0.03 0 0.2
ABS-FRONT= 0.1 : ABS-BACK= 0.8
EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9
HFRONT = 11 : HBACK= 23.8
WALL PH1
LAYERS = LV_FP AIR BÉTON_LOUR PUR
THICKNESS= 0.03 0 0.2 0.20
ABS-FRONT= 0.1 : ABS-BACK= 0.6
EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9
HFRONT = 11 : HBACK= 64
WALL PH2
LAYERS = LV_FP AIR BÉTON_LOUR PUR TERRE
THICKNESS= 0.03 0 0.2 0.20 0.08
ABS-FRONT= 0.1 : ABS-BACK= 0.6
EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9
HFRONT = 11 : HBACK= 64
WALL CBR
LAYERS = CBR
THICKNESS= 0.001
ABS-FRONT= 0.6 : ABS-BACK= 0.6
EPS-FRONT= 0.9 : EPS-BACK= 0.9
HFRONT = 11 : HBACK= 64
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VERSION 17
*******************************************************************************
*** TRNSYS input file (deck) generated by VMO
*** on ...
*** from TrnsysStudio project: J:\...
***
*** If you edit this file, use the File/Import TRNSYS Input File function in
*** TrnsysStudio to update the project.
***
*** If you have problems, questions or suggestions please contact your local
*** TRNSYS distributor or mailto:software at cstb.fr
***
*******************************************************************************
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*** Units
*******************************************************************************
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*** Control cards
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* START, STOP and STEP
CONSTANTS 3
START=0
STOP=8760
STEP=1
* User defined CONSTANTS
SIMULATION START STOP STEP ! Start time End time Time step
TOLERANCES 0.01 0.02 ! Integration Convergence
LIMITS 150 150 25 ! Max iterations Max warnings Trace limit
DFQ 1 ! TRNSYS numerical integration solver method
WIDTH 80 ! TRNSYS output file width, number of characters
LIST ! NOLIST statement
! MAP statement
SOLVER 0 1 1 ! Solver statement Minimum relaxation factor Maximum relaxation factor
NAN_CHECK 0 ! Nan DEBUG statement
OVERWRITE_CHECK 0 ! Overwrite DEBUG statement
TIME_REPORT 0 ! disable time report
EQSOLVER 0 ! EQUATION SOLVER statement
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