[TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS-users Digest, Vol 96, Issue 29

saleh saadi salehsnjsaadi404 at yahoo.com
Mon Jan 7 11:19:18 PST 2013


Hi Martin,
You don't need the source code to perform the simulation. Once you download the zip file from http://www.eta.tu-berlin.de/menue/mitarbeiter_innen/wimi/albers/  which contains the dll and proformas  files,copy the dll into the userlib\releaseDLLs folder 

In my machine, it is under: 
C:\Trnsys16_1\UserLib\ReleaseDLLs 

copy all proformas files and pics and past them under 

 C:\Trnsys16_1\Studio\Proformas

You might need to create a separate folder, for example: absorption chiller and then paste the files under this folder


Now, once the studio is open, you will see the folder named : absorption chiller on your right where you can drag and drop the type and use it like any other types. 


you will need the source file to change the code otherwise it should work with the DLL.  


regards,
Saleh Al Saadi 


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 From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
To: Martin Ssembatya <mssembatya at gmail.com> 
Cc: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu 
Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS-users Digest, Vol 96, Issue 29
 

Martin,
 I am afraid I don't know where you might get that source code. From
    time to time, users are kind enough to package up components that
    they have written and we add them to the TRNLib resource online. I
    am not familiar, though, with the Type177 that you mention.
Kind regards,
 David



On 12/23/2012 05:47, Martin Ssembatya wrote:

Hey David, i saw that there is a Type 177 that was used by IEA - SHC task 25. This model is freely available at www.eta.tu-berlin.de, however the author at this site doesn't give the source code of the model. I realized that one of the four options under this type was specifically developed for Yazaki model WFC 10, the exact chiller model i am simulating. He suggests that we can get the source code from from www.iea-shc-task25.com, but i checked this source and it so happened that source code link is nolonger available since 2009. Could you be having an idea of how i can get this source code??? thanks
>
>Best regards
>Martin  
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>>   1. Re: Yazaki chiller unit model (David BRADLEY)
>>   2. Re: Defining transparent wall (David BRADLEY)
>>   3. Re: building simulation (David BRADLEY)
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>>From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>>To: Martin Ssembatya <mssembatya at gmail.com>
>>Cc: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:05:01 -0600
>>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Yazaki chiller unit model
>>
>>Martin,
>>  I would recommend that you make a very simple project
              where the chiller is subject to a known constant load with
              known constant outdoor conditions. Hook up a Type65 online
              plotter to the chiller and take a look at its performance
              under these known conditions; once the model looks up the
              performance data in the data file, its computations are
              really quite simplistic. You can verify them by hand using
              the documentation in the 04-Mathematical Reference. This
              will give you some confidence in your model.
>>
>>  One of the issues that often occurs in modeling
              absorption chillers is that if you compute a building load
              and pass it directly to the chiller then the chiller
              spends a lot of its time running at a very very low part
              load. In reality, a chiller can't operate much below 20%
              capacity so you have to make sure that this is reflected
              in the data file. The data file should have near zero
              capacity and near zero fraction of design energy input
              below about 20% PLR (part load ratio). At one time, I
              think there was an error in the Type107 example data file
              that showed too large a capacity at very low PLR. The more
              correct way to model the system would be to place the
              chiller on its own primary loop and to place the load on a
              secondary loop. The loops can be separated by a thermal
              storage tank whose volume is equal to the volume of the
              primary and secondary loops. The chiller operates to keep
              the primary loop cold and the secondary loop draws off
              only as much as it needs to meet the load.
>>Kind regards,
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 12/19/2012 01:51, Martin Ssembatya wrote:
>>
>>Hello there,
>>> 
>>>I have been modelling a solar ooling system that uses one of the YAazaki chiller models. I used type 107 for the modelling of the absorption chiller partly because i did not have satisfactory chiller performance data from the manufacturer to model the chiller unit, but alos because i did not have enough time and compiling language to create my own model for this chiller. But on using type 107 for this purpose, i am not getting satifactory results from my simulation i.e. the chilling energy is always too low compared to the rated capacity of the chiller regardless of the season of the year, including summer periods with high insolation values. Is there any one who could have created a TRNSYS model for any Yazaki absorption chiller unit? If yes, can you kindly help me with that model you created and to use it in my simulation and see its effect on results. I will be very grateful. 
>>> 
>>>Best regards
>>>Martin
>>>
>>>
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22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
Madison, WI  53703 USA P:+1.608.274.2577
F:+1.608.278.1475 d.bradley at tess-inc.com http://www.tess-inc.com http://www.trnsys.com
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>>From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>>To: Martin Ssembatya <mssembatya at gmail.com>
>>Cc: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:14:23 -0600
>>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Defining transparent wall
>>
>>Martin,
>>  A few years back, I was faced with modeling some
              greenhouses that were covered by a plastic film. I ended
              up modeling them as a window in Type56 and worked a lot in
              LBNL's WINDOW5 software to create a glazing system that
              represented the plastic film. The process was no different
              from creating any other new window for TRNBuild/Type56. I
              wasn't entirely happy with the solution in part because of
              the diffusion of the incoming solar caused by the plastic.
              However, it was the best I could do at the time and the
              results were  defensible. At the time, I also looked for
              (and found) some models of actual greenhouses that people
              had developed. None of them suited the project very well
              but that might be a good avenue to pursue as well.
>>Kind regards,
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>On 12/12/2012 02:26, Martin Ssembatya wrote:
>>
>>Hello there,
>>>
>>>I am using TRNSYS 16 to estimate the total cooling
                  requirement of three temporally built structures. One
                  of the structures is a tent whose vertical walls
                  contain like 50 percent plastic transparent parts. How
                  can i create a layer and define it to be transparent
                  to the incoming radiation?? I know that this must be
                  having a huge effect on the total cooling requirement.
                  Can someone please help me with some ideas how this
                  can be done?!
>>>
>>>Thanks 
>>>Martin
>>>
>>>
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David BRADLEY
Principal
Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
Madison, WI  53703 USA P:+1.608.274.2577
F:+1.608.278.1475 d.bradley at tess-inc.com http://www.tess-inc.com http://www.trnsys.com
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>>From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>>To: Matthias Maier <matthiasmaier90 at googlemail.com>
>>Cc: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:34:53 -0600
>>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] building simulation
>>
>>Matthias,
>>  I think the answer would depend a lot on the complexity
              of the HVAC systems and on the level of detail to which
              you would need to model them. The most comprehensive
              building models that I have done are for LEED projects
              (proposed building, proposed mechanical system, baseline
              (comparison) building, baseline (comparison) HVAC system,
              and lots of report writing). These projects can range from
              70 to 200 hours of time with most coming in around 100 to
              150. Again, though, that is modeling two buildings. To
              model just the one proposed building, I think you would
              probably be in the range of 50 to 150 hours.
>>
>>  Some other thoughts for you, though (which I realize you
              didn't request... ;-)   ). Every model, every building
              simulation tool that is out there is some simplification
              of a real process. The more assumptions the model
              developer builds into the model, the simpler the model is
              to implement but the less flexible it becomes. The fewer
              assumptions that the developer builds in, the more
              flexible the tool but the more complexity there is
              involved with implementing a system model. I have found it
              helpful to think of building energy modeling tools on a
              sliding scale where on one end are tools that are
              relatively quick to use, which have a LOT of built-in
              assumptions and which are therefore not very flexible. One
              the other end are tools that are very flexible in terms of
              what you can model but which are more time consuming to
              use. TRNSYS is definitely on the "flexible but complex"
              end of that scale - intentionally so. If you are trying to
              model a building that has some unusual features (radiant
              floors, natural ventilation, double skin facades, complex
              HVAC systems, etc.) in it then TRNSYS is a good tool to
              use, even though it will require more hours to implement
              the model. If the building has nothing but conventional
              envelope and systems then there is no advantage to TRNSYS
              (or other tools like it); you will spend an unnecessarily
              long time implementing the model. On the other hand, it
              may be quick to implement a model in another software but
              if the building has features that cannot be modeled by the
              other software, you need to change to another, more
              comprehensive or flexible tool.
>>
>>Best,
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 12/12/2012 09:30, Matthias Maier wrote:
>>
>>Hi TRNSYS-users,
>>>
>>>
>>>I am studying electrical engineering at the Technical University of Munich and currently I am writing my bachelor´s thesis at the Institute for Energy Economy and Application Technology. My subject is the comparison and assessment of various building simulation programs. Background of this thesis is the development of an automatized demand side management for commercial buildings, in case of the emergence of a dynamic electricity tariff in Germany. Therefor a whole thermal simulation of the building and it´s HVAC systems would be necessary.
>>>
>>>One of my tasks is to estimate the costs for the
                implementation of a building including its HVAC systems.
                For this reason I selected an example building to
                estimate the costs for (added in the attachment).
                Support referred me to this user service. I would be
                very grateful if anyone could tell me how long it takes
                to implement this example building including its HVAC to
                TRNSYS and perform a high-resolution simulation
                (minute-basis) for a eperienced user.  
>>>
>>>
>>>Thank you for your attention.
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Matthias Maier
>>>
>>>
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Madison, WI  53703 USA P:+1.608.274.2577
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