[TRNSYS-users] Heat Recovery ventilation system

Fri Oct 12 10:08:55 PDT 2012

You can use a sensible heat exchanger model and
a series of equations and Type 33 psychrometrics models - but this gets
pretty tricky - especially if condensation occurs. Nothing is horribly
difficult in modeling these systems but using a model which accounts for
all of the possibilities will make it a lot easier. Good luck with your
study! 

Jeff 

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On 10/12/2012 4:13 am, 王洋 wrote: 

> Dear Jeff Thornton,
> 
> Many
thanks for your reply!
> 
> Do you mean we must buy TESS HVAC Library
for TRNSYS?
> Is there no other methods to model exhaust air/fresh
> air
Heat Recovery Ventilation System in Simulation Studio? E.g. using
Equation or other component/Type in Simulation studio?
> 
> Many thanks
in advance!
> Br.
> 
> wang
> 
>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>> 1. Re: Heat
Recovery ventilation system (Jeff Thornton)
>> 
>> ---------- 已转发邮件
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>> From: Jeff Thornton <thornton at tess-inc.com [54]>
>> To:
<trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu [55]>
>> Cc: 
>> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012
12:09:33 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Heat Recovery ventilation
system
>> 
>> There are several heat recovery models in the TESS HVAC
Library for TRNSYS. The general descriptions of these models may be
downloaded from www.TRNSYS.com [56] by following the TESS Libraries
link. 
>> 
>> 1. Modifying connection line properties ? (Santeri
Siren)
>> 2. Re: Modifying connection line properties ? (Angel
Carrera)
>> 3. Re: Fwd: Converging error (??)
>> 
>> ---------- 已转发邮件
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>> From: Santeri Siren <santeri.siren1 at gmail.com [57]>
>> To:
"trnsys käyttäjät" <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu [58]>
>> Cc: 
>> Date:
Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:46:29 +0300
>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Modifying
connection line properties ?
>> Dear users,
>> 
>> is there a way to
modify the properties (e.g. change color or weight) of multiple
connection lines between components at the same time. It takes a lot of
time to change line properties one at a time. 
>> 
>> best regards,
>>

>> Santeri Siren
>> 
>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>> From: Angel
Carrera <angel.carrera at aiguasol.coop [59]>
>> To: Santeri Siren
<santeri.siren1 at gmail.com [60]>
>> Cc: "trnsys käyttäjät"
<trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu [61]>
>> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:08:48
+0200
>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Modifying connection line
properties ?
>> 
>> Dear Santeri,
>> 
>> right-click on a connection
with the style you wish to copy and choose and choose "copy style".
Them, you can copy this to another line just right-clicking on it and
selecting "apply style"
>> 
>> Angel
>> 
>> 2012/10/10 Santeri Siren
<santeri.siren1 at gmail.com [62]>
>> 
>>> Dear users,
>>> 
>>> is there a
way to modify the properties (e.g. change color or weight) of multiple
connection lines between components at the same time. It takes a lot of
time to change line properties one at a time. 
>>> 
>>> best
regards,
>>> 
>>> Santeri Siren
>>> 
>>>
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>> From: 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com [65]>
>> To: hotline
<hotline at transsolar.com [66]>
>> Cc: trnsys-users
<trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu [67]>
>> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:37:23
+0200
>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Fwd: Converging error
>> Dear
Marion,
>> 
>> Many thanks for your patient reply!
>> 
>> 1) I use
TRNSYS 16, there is no TSGRD in TYPE 56.
>> 2) The height over sea level
of Default is 0 m I used.
>> 3) You are right. I tried to use *.tm2
weather data, this Error disappeared! But my Userdefined weather data is
TRN/TRY weather data. Why does it result in aforementioned Errors
(Converging error by my past emails)? 
>> If I must use our own TRN/TRY
weather data, how to avoid this Converging error?
>> 4) Yes, The data
reader Type 9 is placed after the building now for my simulation., Do
you mean Type 9 should be placed before the Building Type 56? Is
Better?
>> 
>> Many thanks in advance!
>> 
>> Br.
>> 
>> wang
>> 
>>
2012/10/10 hotline <hotline at transsolar.com [68]>
>> 
>>> Dear Wang, 
>>>

>>> there are several issues within your simulation concerning the
outside longwave exchange of external surfaces 
>>> 
>>> 1.) You didn't
connect TSGRD such that it is set 0 => If you have no information set it
Tamb 
>>> 
>>> 2.) For Sky temperature calculation with Type 69, you
forgot to enter the height above sea level. 
>>> 
>>> 3.) You read the
ambient temperature and the relative air humditiy from a userdefined
file by type 9 
>>> instead of using the data from the weather file.

>>> This file wasn't attached, but it might be an error source
especially when interpolating incorrect data.
>>> For testing, please
use the ambient temperature and rel. humidity from the assigned weather
file throughout your simulation.
>>> Please check your userdefined data
and the outputs of Type 9 WITHOUT connecting them to TYPE 56. 
>>> 
>>>
4.) In addition, please check the component order. The data reader Type
9 is placed after the building. 
>>> 
>>> Marion 
>>> 
>>>
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>>> 
>>> VON: 王洋
[mailto:wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com [6]] 
>>> GESENDET: Montag, 8.
Oktober 2012 15:31
>>> AN: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu [7]; hotline
>>>
BETREFF: Fwd: Converging error 
>>> 
>>> Dear Marion and TRNSYS
Users,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your reply!
>>> 
>>> I checked all you
mentioned, I can't find any special/abnormal settings. Furthermore, it
runs well when the time step is 1 hour. For other steps e.g. 0.1 h, 0.2
h or 0.5 h, it appears that ERROR.
>>> 
>>> Please help me have a look
at the attached project if you are free.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks in
advance!
>>> 
>>> br.
>>> 
>>> wang 
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded
message ----------
>>> From: 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com [8]>
>>>
Date: 2012/9/28
>>> Subject: Converging error
>>> To:
trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu [9], hotline at transsolar.com [10]
>>> 
>>>
---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: "hotline" <hotline at transsolar.com
[11]>
>>> To: trnsys-users <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu [12]>
>>> Cc: 
>>>
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:02:00 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users]
Converging error 
>>> 
>>> Wang, 
>>> 
>>> This problem may occur from
incorrect ambient condition settings: 
>>> 
>>> Please check the
following inputs of Type 56 
>>> 
>>> 1- TAMB 
>>> 
>>> 2- RELHUMAMB

>>> 
>>> 3- TSKY 
>>> 
>>> 4- TSGRD 
>>> 
>>> In addition make sure
that in the BUI file the surface 
>>> 
>>> - outside emissitive is ≤ 1

>>> 
>>> - outside convective heat transfer coefficient ist set to
reasonable value 
>>> 
>>> If the error presits, we need the complete
project to give further advice. 
>>> 
>>> Marion 
>>> 
>>> 2012/9/28
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>>> Today's
Topics:
>>> 
>>> 1. Re: problem with iterations?? (Matt Duffy)
>>> 2.
Re: problem with iterations?? (Marion Hiller)
>>> 3. Re: Converging
error (hotline)
>>> 
>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: Matt
Duffy <duffy at tess-inc.com [18]>
>>> To: <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
[19]>
>>> Cc: 
>>> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:04:24 -0500
>>> Subject:
Re: [TRNSYS-users] problem with iterations?? 
>>> 
>>> Karol, 
>>> 
>>>
I noticed from your listing (*.lst) file that your working directory is
located on your computer's desktop directory. This is not recommended
due to the potential issues with the Windows OS system and write
privleges. I would first try changing your working directory to the
".MyProjects" directory or in a folder right on the "C:" drive. I am not
certain that this is the issue with the TRNEXE, but if the problem
persists, please contact your distributor, techsupport at tess-inc.com
[20]. 
>>> 
>>> Best regards, 
>>> 
>>> Matt Duffy 
>>> 
>>> TRNSYS on
Facebook [21] 
>>> 
>>> On 2012-09-27 03:46, Karol Bandurski wrote: 
>>>

>>>> Dear All, 
>>>> 
>>>> I try to simulate dwelling with natural
ventilation. I set some algorithm for window opening and ideal heating
for colder part of year for each zone with set temperature depending on
time of day. 
>>>> 
>>>> When I run my yearly simulation it stop in one
moment and TRNEXE is frozen... There is even no error! Then I can only
turn off TRNEXE. 
>>>> 
>>>> Only think what appear (many times) in .lst
file is 
>>>> 
>>>> Notice: More than 6 iterations for internal
regulation HEATING/COOLING. 
>>>> 
>>>> I will be grateful for any
advice! 
>>>> 
>>>> I enclose .lst file. 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards, 
>>>>

>>>> ------------------------------------------------ 
>>>> 
>>>> Karol
Bandurski MSc. 
>>>> 
>>>> Institute of Environmental Engineering [3]

>>>> 
>>>> Poznan University of Technology 
>>>> 
>>>>
www.ee.put.poznan.pl [4] 
>>>> 
>>>> www.put.poznan.pl [5]
>>> 
>>>
---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: "Marion Hiller"
<hiller at transsolar.com [22]>
>>> To: "karol.bandurski"
<karol.bandurski at put.poznan.pl [23]>
>>> Cc: trnsys-users
<trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu [24]>
>>> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:53:53
+0200
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] problem with iterations?? 
>>>

>>> Karol, 
>>> 
>>> In general the notice has nothing to do with a
frozen TRNEXE.exe, 
>>> 
>>> it is just an information. 
>>> 
>>> The
message indicates that the internal controller for turning on the 
>>>

>>> integrated heating/cooling has convergence problems and a deadband
is applied to promote convergence. 
>>> 
>>> This may be the case at the
moment of turning ON or OFF something. 
>>> 
>>> After 6 internal
iterations a deadband is added to promote convergence. 
>>> 
>>> If the
convergence isn't reached after 12 iterations a warning is written to
the lst/log file. 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> 
>>> Marion 
>>> 
>>>
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>>
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>>> 
>>> VON: Karol Bandurski
[mailto:karol.bandurski at put.poznan.pl [25]] 
>>> GESENDET: Donnerstag,
27. September 2012 10:47
>>> AN: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu [26]
>>>
BETREFF: [TRNSYS-users] problem with iterations?? 
>>> 
>>> Dear All,

>>> 
>>> I try to simulate dwelling with natural ventilation. I set
some algorithm for window opening and ideal heating for colder part of
year for each zone with set temperature depending on time of day. 
>>>

>>> When I run my yearly simulation it stop in one moment and TRNEXE is
frozen... There is even no error! Then I can only turn off TRNEXE. 
>>>

>>> Only think what appear (many times) in .lst file is 
>>> 
>>>
Notice: More than 6 iterations for internal regulation HEATING/COOLING.

>>> 
>>> I will be grateful for any advice! 
>>> 
>>> I enclose .lst
file. 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> 
>>>
------------------------------------------------ 
>>> 
>>> Karol
Bandurski MSc. 
>>> 
>>> Institute of Environmental Engineering [27]

>>> 
>>> Poznan University of Technology 
>>> 
>>> www.ee.put.poznan.pl
[28] 
>>> 
>>> www.put.poznan.pl [29] 
>>> 
>>> ---------- 已转发邮件
----------
>>> From: "hotline" <hotline at transsolar.com [30]>
>>> To:
trnsys-users <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu [31]>
>>> Cc: 
>>> Date: Fri, 28
Sep 2012 12:02:00 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Converging error

>>> 
>>> Wang, 
>>> 
>>> This problem may occur from incorrect ambient
condition settings: 
>>> 
>>> Please check the following inputs of Type
56 
>>> 
>>> 1- TAMB 
>>> 
>>> 2- RELHUMAMB 
>>> 
>>> 3- TSKY 
>>> 
>>>
4- TSGRD 
>>> 
>>> In addition make sure that in the BUI file the
surface 
>>> 
>>> - outside emissitive is ≤ 1 
>>> 
>>> - outside
convective heat transfer coefficient ist set to reasonable value 
>>>

>>> If the error presits, we need the complete project to give further
advice. 
>>> 
>>> Marion 
>>> 
>>> -------------------------
>>> 
>>>
VON: 王洋 [mailto:wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com [32]] 
>>> GESENDET:
Donnerstag, 27. September 2012 11:49
>>> AN: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
[33]
>>> BETREFF: [TRNSYS-users] Converging error 
>>> 
>>> Dear
all,
>>> 
>>> I met a converging error when I changed simulation time
step 1 hour into 0.1 hour or 0.2 hour or 0.01 hour as follows:
>>> 
>>>
*** Fatal Error at time : 3972.000000
>>> Generated by Unit : 56
>>>
Generated by Type : 56
>>> Message : outside temperature of 2(external)
wall in zone 1at time 3972.00 not converged!
>>> 
>>> Please tell me
some possible solutions for that if you know. The attached is its
Listing File.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks in advance!
>>> Br.
>>> 
>>> wang
>>>

>>> 2012/9/27 <trnsys-users-request at cae.wisc.edu [34]> 
>>> 
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>>> Today's
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>>> 1. Doctoral Fellowships at TERI University, India (R.K.
Singh)
>>> 2. problem with iterations?? (Karol Bandurski)
>>> 
>>>
---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: "R.K. Singh"
<singh.ramkishore at gmail.com [39]>
>>> To: TRNSYS-users at cae.wisc.edu
[40]
>>> Cc: 
>>> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:04:34 +0530
>>> Subject:
[TRNSYS-users] Doctoral Fellowships at TERI University, India 
>>> 
>>>
TERI University is currently inviting applications for Doctoral
programmes in Bioresources/Biotechnology;Natural Resource Management,
Energy and Environment and Regulatory and Policy studies for semester
starting january 2013. A range of scholarship opportunities are also
available for the students in specific areas, the details of which can
be accessed through the following link. 
>>> 
>>>
http://teriuniversity.ac.in/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54
[41] 
>>> 
>>> The last date for application is October 31st, 2012. The
details regarding fee, eligibility and other requirements can be
accessed through
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>>> 
>>>
For any further details please get in touch with Dr. Sapna A Narula,
Associate Professor sapna.narula at teriuniversity.ac.in [43]. 
>>> 
>>>
***********************************************
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Singh
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>>> TERI University
>>>
Tel: 91-11-26122222, Ext. 1302
>>> Fax: 91-11-26122874
>>> Web:
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>>>
***********************************************
>>> 
>>> ----------
已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: "Karol Bandurski"
<karol.bandurski at put.poznan.pl [45]>
>>> To: <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
[46]>
>>> Cc: 
>>> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:46:49 +0200
>>> Subject:
[TRNSYS-users] problem with iterations?? 
>>> 
>>> Dear All, 
>>> 
>>> I
try to simulate dwelling with natural ventilation. I set some algorithm
for window opening and ideal heating for colder part of year for each
zone with set temperature depending on time of day. 
>>> 
>>> When I run
my yearly simulation it stop in one moment and TRNEXE is frozen... There
is even no error! Then I can only turn off TRNEXE. 
>>> 
>>> Only think
what appear (many times) in .lst file is 
>>> 
>>> Notice: More than 6
iterations for internal regulation HEATING/COOLING. 
>>> 
>>> I will be
grateful for any advice! 
>>> 
>>> I enclose .lst file. 
>>> 
>>>
Regards, 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------------------------ 
>>>

>>> Karol Bandurski MSc. 
>>> 
>>> Institute of Environmental
Engineering [47] 
>>> 
>>> Poznan University of Technology 
>>> 
>>>
www.ee.put.poznan.pl [48] 
>>> 
>>> www.put.poznan.pl [49] 
>>> 
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