[TRNSYS-users] Fwd: Converging error
王洋
wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com
Wed Oct 10 04:37:23 PDT 2012
Dear Marion,
Many thanks for your patient reply!
1) I use TRNSYS 16, there is no TSGRD in TYPE 56.
2) The height over sea level of Default is 0 m I used.
3) You are right. I tried to use *.tm2 weather data, this Error
disappeared! But my Userdefined weather data is TRN/TRY weather data. Why
does it result in aforementioned Errors (Converging error by my past
emails)?
If I must use our own TRN/TRY weather data, how to avoid this Converging
error?
4) Yes, The data reader Type 9 is placed after the building now for my
simulation., Do you mean Type 9 should be placed before the Building Type
56? Is Better?
Many thanks in advance!
Br.
wang
2012/10/10 hotline <hotline at transsolar.com>
> ** ** ** ** **
>
> Dear Wang,****
>
> ** **
>
> there are several issues within your simulation concerning the outside
> longwave exchange of external surfaces****
>
> ** **
>
> **1.) **You didn’t connect TSGRD such that it is set 0 => If you
> have no information set it Tamb****
>
> **2.) **For Sky temperature calculation with Type 69, you forgot to
> enter the height above sea level. ****
>
> **3.) **You read the ambient temperature and the relative air
> humditiy from a userdefined file by type 9
> instead of using the data from the weather file.
> This file wasn’t attached, but it might be an error source especially when
> interpolating incorrect data.
> For testing, please use the ambient temperature and rel. humidity from the
> assigned weather file throughout your simulation.
> Please check your userdefined data and the outputs of Type 9 WITHOUT
> connecting them to TYPE 56.****
>
> **4.) **In addition, please check the component order. The data
> reader Type 9 is placed after the building.****
>
> ** **
>
> ****Marion********
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
>
>
> *Von:* 王洋 [mailto:wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com]
> *Gesendet:* Montag, 8. Oktober 2012 15:31
> *An:* trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu; **hotline**
> *Betreff:* Fwd: Converging error****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Dear Marion and TRNSYS Users,
>
> Thanks for your reply!
>
> I checked all you mentioned, I can't find any special/abnormal settings.
> Furthermore, it runs well when the time step is 1 hour. For other steps
> e.g. 0.1 h, 0.2 h or 0.5 h, it appears that ERROR.
>
> Please help me have a look at the attached project if you are free.
>
> Many thanks in advance!
>
> br.
>
> wang****
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *王洋* <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
> Date: 2012/9/28
> Subject: Converging error
> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu, hotline at transsolar.com
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>
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> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
> From: "**hotline**" <hotline at transsolar.com>
> To: trnsys-users <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:02:00 +0200
> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Converging error****
>
> Wang, ****
>
> ****
>
> This problem may occur from incorrect ambient condition settings: ****
>
> Please check the following inputs of Type 56 ****
>
> 1- TAMB ****
>
> 2- RELHUMAMB ****
>
> 3- TSKY ****
>
> 4- TSGRD ****
>
> ****
>
> In addition make sure that in the BUI file the surface ****
>
> - outside emissitive is ≤ 1 ****
>
> - outside convective heat transfer coefficient ist set to
> reasonable value ****
>
> ****
>
> If the error presits, we need the complete project to give further advice.
> ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> ****Marion********
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> 1. Re: problem with iterations?? (Matt Duffy)
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> 3. Re: Converging error (**hotline**)
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> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
> From: Matt Duffy <duffy at tess-inc.com>
> To: <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:04:24 -0500
> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] problem with iterations??****
>
> Karol,****
>
> ****
>
> I noticed from your listing (*.lst) file that your working directory is
> located on your computer's desktop directory. This is not recommended due
> to the potential issues with the Windows OS system and write privleges. I
> would first try changing your working directory to the ".\MyProjects"
> directory or in a folder right on the "C:" drive. I am not certain that
> this is the issue with the TRNEXE, but if the problem persists, please
> contact your distributor, techsupport at tess-inc.com.****
>
> ****
>
> Best regards,****
>
>
> Matt Duffy****
>
> ****
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> On 2012-09-27 03:46, Karol Bandurski wrote:****
>
> Dear All,****
>
> ****
>
> I try to simulate dwelling with natural ventilation. I set some algorithm
> for window opening and ideal heating for colder part of year for each zone
> with set temperature depending on time of day.****
>
> ****
>
> When I run my yearly simulation it stop in one moment and TRNEXE is
> frozen... There is even no error! Then I can only turn off TRNEXE.****
>
> ****
>
> Only think what appear (many times) in .lst file is****
>
> ****
>
> Notice: More than 6 iterations for internal regulation HEATING/COOLING.***
> *
>
> ****
>
> I will be grateful for any advice!****
>
> ****
>
> I enclose .lst file.****
>
> ****
>
> Regards,****
>
> ****
>
> ------------------------------------------------****
>
> Karol Bandurski MSc.****
>
> Institute of Environmental Engineering <http://www.ee.put.poznan.pl/>****
>
> Poznan University of Technology****
>
> www.ee.put.poznan.pl****
>
> www.put.poznan.pl****
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> ****
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>
> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
> From: "Marion Hiller" <hiller at transsolar.com>
> To: "karol.bandurski" <karol.bandurski at put.poznan.pl>
> Cc: trnsys-users <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:53:53 +0200
> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] problem with iterations??****
>
> Karol, ****
>
> ****
>
> In general the notice has nothing to do with a frozen TRNEXE.exe, ****
>
> it is just an information. ****
>
> ****
>
> The message indicates that the internal controller for turning on the ****
>
> integrated heating/cooling has convergence problems and a deadband is
> applied to promote convergence. ****
>
> This may be the case at the moment of turning ON or OFF something. ****
>
> After 6 internal iterations a deadband is added to promote convergence. **
> **
>
> If the convergence isn’t reached after 12 iterations a warning is written
> to the lst/log file. ****
>
> ****
>
> Regards, ****
>
> ****
>
> ****Marion**** ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> *Dipl.-Ing. **Marion Hiller **
> **TRANSSOLAR: KlimaEngineering - Technologien für energieeffizientes
> Bauen und Nutzerkomfort in Gebäude **
> Munich - New York - Stuttgart + 49.711.67976.0
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> ------------------------------
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>
> ****
>
> *Von:* Karol Bandurski [mailto:karol.bandurski at put.poznan.pl]
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 27. September 2012 10:47
> *An:* trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
> *Betreff:* [TRNSYS-users] problem with iterations?? ****
>
> ****
>
> Dear All, ****
>
> ****
>
> I try to simulate dwelling with natural ventilation. I set some algorithm
> for window opening and ideal heating for colder part of year for each zone
> with set temperature depending on time of day. ****
>
> ****
>
> When I run my yearly simulation it stop in one moment and TRNEXE is
> frozen... There is even no error! Then I can only turn off TRNEXE. ****
>
> ****
>
> Only think what appear (many times) in .lst file is ****
>
> ****
>
> Notice: More than 6 iterations for internal regulation HEATING/COOLING. **
> **
>
> ****
>
> I will be grateful for any advice! ****
>
> ****
>
> I enclose .lst file. ****
>
> ****
>
> Regards, ****
>
> ****
>
> ------------------------------------------------ ****
>
> Karol Bandurski MSc. ****
>
> Institute of Environmental Engineering <http://www.ee.put.poznan.pl/> ****
>
> ****Poznan** **University**** of Technology ****
>
> www.ee.put.poznan.pl ****
>
> www.put.poznan.pl ****
>
> ****
>
>
>
> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
> From: "**hotline**" <hotline at transsolar.com>
> To: trnsys-users <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:02:00 +0200
> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Converging error****
>
> Wang, ****
>
> ****
>
> This problem may occur from incorrect ambient condition settings: ****
>
> Please check the following inputs of Type 56 ****
>
> 1- TAMB ****
>
> 2- RELHUMAMB ****
>
> 3- TSKY ****
>
> 4- TSGRD ****
>
> ****
>
> In addition make sure that in the BUI file the surface ****
>
> - outside emissitive is ≤ 1 ****
>
> - outside convective heat transfer coefficient ist set to
> reasonable value ****
>
> ****
>
> If the error presits, we need the complete project to give further advice.
> ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> ****Marion**** ****
> ------------------------------
>
>
> ****
>
> *Von:* 王洋 [mailto:wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com]
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 27. September 2012 11:49
> *An:* trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
> *Betreff:* [TRNSYS-users] Converging error ****
>
> ****
>
> Dear all,
>
> I met a converging error when I changed simulation time step 1 hour into
> 0.1 hour or 0.2 hour or 0.01 hour as follows:
>
> *** Fatal Error at time : 3972.000000
> Generated by Unit : 56
> Generated by Type : 56
> Message : outside temperature of 2(external) wall in
> zone 1at time 3972.00 not converged!
>
> Please tell me some possible solutions for that if you know. The attached
> is its Listing File.
>
> Many thanks in advance!
> Br.
>
> wang
>
> ****
>
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> 1. Doctoral Fellowships at TERI University, India (R.K. Singh)
> 2. problem with iterations?? (Karol Bandurski)
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> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
> From: "R.K. Singh" <singh.ramkishore at gmail.com>
> To: TRNSYS-users at cae.wisc.edu
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:04:34 +0530
> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Doctoral Fellowships at TERI University, India ***
> *
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> TERI University is currently inviting applications for Doctoral programmes
> in Bioresources/Biotechnology;Natural Resource Management, Energy and
> Environment and Regulatory and Policy studies for semester starting january
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>
> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
> From: "Karol Bandurski" <karol.bandurski at put.poznan.pl>
> To: <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:46:49 +0200
> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] problem with iterations?? ****
>
> Dear All, ****
>
> ****
>
> I try to simulate dwelling with natural ventilation. I set some algorithm
> for window opening and ideal heating for colder part of year for each zone
> with set temperature depending on time of day. ****
>
> ****
>
> When I run my yearly simulation it stop in one moment and TRNEXE is
> frozen... There is even no error! Then I can only turn off TRNEXE. ****
>
> ****
>
> Only think what appear (many times) in .lst file is ****
>
> ****
>
> Notice: More than 6 iterations for internal regulation HEATING/COOLING. **
> **
>
> ****
>
> I will be grateful for any advice! ****
>
> ****
>
> I enclose .lst file. ****
>
> ****
>
> Regards, ****
>
> ****
>
> ------------------------------------------------ ****
>
> Karol Bandurski MSc. ****
>
> Institute of Environmental Engineering <http://www.ee.put.poznan.pl/> ****
>
> ****Poznan** **University**** of Technology ****
>
> www.ee.put.poznan.pl ****
>
> www.put.poznan.pl ****
>
> ****
>
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