[TRNSYS-users] Heat Recovery ventilation system
Jeff Thornton
thornton at tess-inc.com
Thu Oct 11 10:09:33 PDT 2012
There are several heat recovery models in the TESS HVAC Library for
TRNSYS. The general descriptions of these models may be downloaded from
www.TRNSYS.com by following the TESS Libraries link.
<I trying to
simulate a Ventilation Heat Recovery system with TRNSYS, and i'm
wondering if any one has
tried it or knows any documentation that talk
about it.
1)Could anyone tell me an easy way (using Equation or which
component/Type? in Simulation Studio) to express the exhaust
air/fresh
air heat recovery/exchange system?>
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Jeff Thornton
_President - TESS LLC_
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On 10/11/2012 5:20 am, 王洋 wrote:
>
Dear all,
>
> Many thanks in advance!
> Br.
>
> wang
>
> 2012/10/10
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1. Modifying connection line properties ? (Santeri Siren)
>> 2. Re:
Modifying connection line properties ? (Angel Carrera)
>> 3. Re: Fwd:
Converging error (??)
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>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>> From:
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>> To: "trnsys käyttäjät"
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>> Cc:
>> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012
12:46:29 +0300
>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Modifying connection line
properties ?
>> Dear users,
>>
>> is there a way to modify the
properties (e.g. change color or weight) of multiple connection lines
between components at the same time. It takes a lot of time to change
line properties one at a time.
>>
>> best regards,
>>
>> Santeri
Siren
>>
>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>> From: Angel Carrera
<angel.carrera at aiguasol.coop [60]>
>> To: Santeri Siren
<santeri.siren1 at gmail.com [61]>
>> Cc: "trnsys käyttäjät"
<trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu [62]>
>> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:08:48
+0200
>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Modifying connection line
properties ?
>>
>> Dear Santeri,
>>
>> right-click on a connection
with the style you wish to copy and choose and choose "copy style".
Them, you can copy this to another line just right-clicking on it and
selecting "apply style"
>>
>> Angel
>>
>> 2012/10/10 Santeri Siren
<santeri.siren1 at gmail.com [63]>
>>
>>> Dear users,
>>>
>>> is there a
way to modify the properties (e.g. change color or weight) of multiple
connection lines between components at the same time. It takes a lot of
time to change line properties one at a time.
>>>
>>> best
regards,
>>>
>>> Santeri Siren
>>>
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>> From: 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com [66]>
>> To: hotline
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>> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:37:23
+0200
>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Fwd: Converging error
>> Dear
Marion,
>>
>> Many thanks for your patient reply!
>>
>> 1) I use
TRNSYS 16, there is no TSGRD in TYPE 56.
>> 2) The height over sea level
of Default is 0 m I used.
>> 3) You are right. I tried to use *.tm2
weather data, this Error disappeared! But my Userdefined weather data is
TRN/TRY weather data. Why does it result in aforementioned Errors
(Converging error by my past emails)?
>> If I must use our own TRN/TRY
weather data, how to avoid this Converging error?
>> 4) Yes, The data
reader Type 9 is placed after the building now for my simulation., Do
you mean Type 9 should be placed before the Building Type 56? Is
Better?
>>
>> Many thanks in advance!
>>
>> Br.
>>
>> wang
>>
>>
2012/10/10 hotline <hotline at transsolar.com [69]>
>>
>>> Dear Wang,
>>>
>>> there are several issues within your simulation concerning the
outside longwave exchange of external surfaces
>>>
>>> 1.) You didn't
connect TSGRD such that it is set 0 => If you have no information set it
Tamb
>>>
>>> 2.) For Sky temperature calculation with Type 69, you
forgot to enter the height above sea level.
>>>
>>> 3.) You read the
ambient temperature and the relative air humditiy from a userdefined
file by type 9
>>> instead of using the data from the weather file.
>>> This file wasn't attached, but it might be an error source
especially when interpolating incorrect data.
>>> For testing, please
use the ambient temperature and rel. humidity from the assigned weather
file throughout your simulation.
>>> Please check your userdefined data
and the outputs of Type 9 WITHOUT connecting them to TYPE 56.
>>>
>>>
4.) In addition, please check the component order. The data reader Type
9 is placed after the building.
>>>
>>> Marion
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> VON: 王洋
[mailto:wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com [6]]
>>> GESENDET: Montag, 8.
Oktober 2012 15:31
>>> AN: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu [7]; hotline
>>>
BETREFF: Fwd: Converging error
>>>
>>> Dear Marion and TRNSYS
Users,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your reply!
>>>
>>> I checked all you
mentioned, I can't find any special/abnormal settings. Furthermore, it
runs well when the time step is 1 hour. For other steps e.g. 0.1 h, 0.2
h or 0.5 h, it appears that ERROR.
>>>
>>> Please help me have a look
at the attached project if you are free.
>>>
>>> Many thanks in
advance!
>>>
>>> br.
>>>
>>> wang
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded
message ----------
>>> From: 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com [8]>
>>>
Date: 2012/9/28
>>> Subject: Converging error
>>> To:
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>>>
>>>
---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: "hotline" <hotline at transsolar.com
[11]>
>>> To: trnsys-users <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu [12]>
>>> Cc:
>>>
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:02:00 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users]
Converging error
>>>
>>> Wang,
>>>
>>> This problem may occur from
incorrect ambient condition settings:
>>>
>>> Please check the
following inputs of Type 56
>>>
>>> 1- TAMB
>>>
>>> 2- RELHUMAMB
>>>
>>> 3- TSKY
>>>
>>> 4- TSGRD
>>>
>>> In addition make sure
that in the BUI file the surface
>>>
>>> - outside emissitive is ≤ 1
>>>
>>> - outside convective heat transfer coefficient ist set to
reasonable value
>>>
>>> If the error presits, we need the complete
project to give further advice.
>>>
>>> Marion
>>>
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>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: Matt
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[19]>
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:04:24 -0500
>>> Subject:
Re: [TRNSYS-users] problem with iterations??
>>>
>>> Karol,
>>>
>>>
I noticed from your listing (*.lst) file that your working directory is
located on your computer's desktop directory. This is not recommended
due to the potential issues with the Windows OS system and write
privleges. I would first try changing your working directory to the
".MyProjects" directory or in a folder right on the "C:" drive. I am not
certain that this is the issue with the TRNEXE, but if the problem
persists, please contact your distributor, techsupport at tess-inc.com
[20].
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Matt Duffy
>>>
>>> TRNSYS on
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>>>
>>> On 2012-09-27 03:46, Karol Bandurski wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> I try to simulate dwelling with natural
ventilation. I set some algorithm for window opening and ideal heating
for colder part of year for each zone with set temperature depending on
time of day.
>>>>
>>>> When I run my yearly simulation it stop in one
moment and TRNEXE is frozen... There is even no error! Then I can only
turn off TRNEXE.
>>>>
>>>> Only think what appear (many times) in .lst
file is
>>>>
>>>> Notice: More than 6 iterations for internal
regulation HEATING/COOLING.
>>>>
>>>> I will be grateful for any
advice!
>>>>
>>>> I enclose .lst file.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Karol
Bandurski MSc.
>>>>
>>>> Institute of Environmental Engineering [3]
>>>>
>>>> Poznan University of Technology
>>>>
>>>>
www.ee.put.poznan.pl [4]
>>>>
>>>> www.put.poznan.pl [5]
>>>
>>>
---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: "Marion Hiller"
<hiller at transsolar.com [22]>
>>> To: "karol.bandurski"
<karol.bandurski at put.poznan.pl [23]>
>>> Cc: trnsys-users
<trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu [24]>
>>> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:53:53
+0200
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] problem with iterations??
>>>
>>> Karol,
>>>
>>> In general the notice has nothing to do with a
frozen TRNEXE.exe,
>>>
>>> it is just an information.
>>>
>>> The
message indicates that the internal controller for turning on the
>>>
>>> integrated heating/cooling has convergence problems and a deadband
is applied to promote convergence.
>>>
>>> This may be the case at the
moment of turning ON or OFF something.
>>>
>>> After 6 internal
iterations a deadband is added to promote convergence.
>>>
>>> If the
convergence isn't reached after 12 iterations a warning is written to
the lst/log file.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Marion
>>>
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>>> VON: Karol Bandurski
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>>> GESENDET: Donnerstag,
27. September 2012 10:47
>>> AN: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu [26]
>>>
BETREFF: [TRNSYS-users] problem with iterations??
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> I try to simulate dwelling with natural ventilation. I set
some algorithm for window opening and ideal heating for colder part of
year for each zone with set temperature depending on time of day.
>>>
>>> When I run my yearly simulation it stop in one moment and TRNEXE is
frozen... There is even no error! Then I can only turn off TRNEXE.
>>>
>>> Only think what appear (many times) in .lst file is
>>>
>>>
Notice: More than 6 iterations for internal regulation HEATING/COOLING.
>>>
>>> I will be grateful for any advice!
>>>
>>> I enclose .lst
file.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Karol
Bandurski MSc.
>>>
>>> Institute of Environmental Engineering [27]
>>>
>>> Poznan University of Technology
>>>
>>> www.ee.put.poznan.pl
[28]
>>>
>>> www.put.poznan.pl [29]
>>>
>>> ---------- 已转发邮件
----------
>>> From: "hotline" <hotline at transsolar.com [30]>
>>> To:
trnsys-users <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu [31]>
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Fri, 28
Sep 2012 12:02:00 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Converging error
>>>
>>> Wang,
>>>
>>> This problem may occur from incorrect ambient
condition settings:
>>>
>>> Please check the following inputs of Type
56
>>>
>>> 1- TAMB
>>>
>>> 2- RELHUMAMB
>>>
>>> 3- TSKY
>>>
>>>
4- TSGRD
>>>
>>> In addition make sure that in the BUI file the
surface
>>>
>>> - outside emissitive is ≤ 1
>>>
>>> - outside
convective heat transfer coefficient ist set to reasonable value
>>>
>>> If the error presits, we need the complete project to give further
advice.
>>>
>>> Marion
>>>
>>> -------------------------
>>>
>>>
VON: 王洋 [mailto:wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com [32]]
>>> GESENDET:
Donnerstag, 27. September 2012 11:49
>>> AN: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
[33]
>>> BETREFF: [TRNSYS-users] Converging error
>>>
>>> Dear
all,
>>>
>>> I met a converging error when I changed simulation time
step 1 hour into 0.1 hour or 0.2 hour or 0.01 hour as follows:
>>>
>>>
*** Fatal Error at time : 3972.000000
>>> Generated by Unit : 56
>>>
Generated by Type : 56
>>> Message : outside temperature of 2(external)
wall in zone 1at time 3972.00 not converged!
>>>
>>> Please tell me
some possible solutions for that if you know. The attached is its
Listing File.
>>>
>>> Many thanks in advance!
>>> Br.
>>>
>>> wang
>>>
>>> 2012/9/27 <trnsys-users-request at cae.wisc.edu [34]>
>>>
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>>> 1. Doctoral Fellowships at TERI University, India (R.K.
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>>> 2. problem with iterations?? (Karol Bandurski)
>>>
>>>
---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
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>>> To: TRNSYS-users at cae.wisc.edu
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>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:04:34 +0530
>>> Subject:
[TRNSYS-users] Doctoral Fellowships at TERI University, India
>>>
>>>
TERI University is currently inviting applications for Doctoral
programmes in Bioresources/Biotechnology;Natural Resource Management,
Energy and Environment and Regulatory and Policy studies for semester
starting january 2013. A range of scholarship opportunities are also
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> ----------
已转发邮件 ----------
>>> From: "Karol Bandurski"
<karol.bandurski at put.poznan.pl [45]>
>>> To: <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
[46]>
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:46:49 +0200
>>> Subject:
[TRNSYS-users] problem with iterations??
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> I
try to simulate dwelling with natural ventilation. I set some algorithm
for window opening and ideal heating for colder part of year for each
zone with set temperature depending on time of day.
>>>
>>> When I run
my yearly simulation it stop in one moment and TRNEXE is frozen... There
is even no error! Then I can only turn off TRNEXE.
>>>
>>> Only think
what appear (many times) in .lst file is
>>>
>>> Notice: More than 6
iterations for internal regulation HEATING/COOLING.
>>>
>>> I will be
grateful for any advice!
>>>
>>> I enclose .lst file.
>>>
>>>
Regards,
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Karol Bandurski MSc.
>>>
>>> Institute of Environmental
Engineering [47]
>>>
>>> Poznan University of Technology
>>>
>>>
www.ee.put.poznan.pl [48]
>>>
>>> www.put.poznan.pl [49]
>>>
>>>
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