[TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS-users Digest, Vol 77, Issue 39

Thu May 12 13:59:27 PDT 2011

Please i need transys 16 or 17 staudio, because i have Transys 16 staudio
but not complete because i need cylindroparabolic collector, and the limit
time of my memoiry is next the end, so any user can send to me Transys 16 or
17 staudio the Complete version.

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>   1. Re: TrnOpt (Timothy McDowell)
>   2. Re: Soil Noding plugin output file (pseudomino at gmx.com)
>   3. Re: Soil Noding plugin output file (Matt Duffy)
>   4. Re: Questions about PID 23 (Matt Duffy)
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> ---------- Message transféré ----------
> From: "Timothy McDowell" <mcdowell at tess-inc.com>
> To: "Gantner" <Gantner at transsolar.com>, trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 07:13:42 -0500 (CDT)
> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TrnOpt
> Johannes -
>
> This error can be caused by a mismatch between your TrnOpt version and
> your TESS lib's version.  Please check with your distributor that you have
> the most recent version of TrnOpt 16 or 17.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim
>
>
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>
> ----------------------------------
> Timothy McDowell
> Executive Vice President
> Thermal Energy System Specialists, LLC
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gantner" <gantner at transsolar.com>
> Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 4:51
> Subject:[TRNSYS-users] TrnOpt
>
>
>
>
> Dear TRNsys Users,
>
>
>
>
>
> Probably this question was already asked before, but I couldn´t find it.
> So I hope
>
> Someone could help me out with my problem.
>
>
>
> I wanted to use TRNOpt (TrnOpt 16_1) for the optimization of my trnsys
> model (Trnsys 17).
>
>
>
> When I start the optimization, TRNsys works, my simulation is running, but
> when GenOpt
>
> starts I receive an error message on the GenOpt window:
>
>
>
>
>
> Initialize.
>
> genopt.lang.OptimizerException:
>
> Error in searching for the objective function value:
>
>  The objective function value could not be found.
>
>  - Check the optimization ini file for
>
>    the prober value of SimOutputFile.
>
>  - Check the SimOutputFile for the prober
>
>    structure.
>
>  - Check the optimization configuration file for
>
>    the prober value of the objective function delimiter.
>
>    Objective function delimiter is 'Variable Value 001 ='.
>
>
>
> GenOpt terminated with error.
>
> See logfile for further information.
>
>
>
>
>
> This error occurred also when I tried the TrnOpt Example.
>
> Can anyone help me with this problem
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> Best
>
>
>
> Johannes
>
>
>
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> ---------- Message transféré ----------
> From: pseudomino at gmx.com
> To: thornton at tess-inc.com
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 13:29:25 +0000
> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Soil Noding plugin output file
> Thanks for your answer, but unfortunately, it doesn't work for me.
>
> I get this error in the list file
> *    Generated by Type     :    49
>     Message               : An error was found in the supplied values.
> Please check the data carefully.*
>
> I made a very simple test with a unique square zone and its soil, and it's
> the same.
>
> The Soil Noding File.dat file contains :
> *0 0 2 2
>
>
> 0.0 0.0*
> is this correct ?
>
> For information :
> Zone Areas.txt contains "Zone 1: 22.11m2"
> delta.txt contains
> *deltaX 1 is: 5.06
>
> deltaY 1 is: 4.37*
>
> Damien
>
>
>
>
>
>  ----- Message d'origine -----
>
> De : Jeff Thornton
>
> Envoyés : 10.05.11 19:16
>
> À : pseudomino at gmx.com, trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>
> Objet : Re: [TRNSYS-users] Soil Noding plugin output file
>
>  You use the ***_Soil Noding File.dat file.  The other two contain the
> zone areas and the X and Y distances used by the models.  These other two
> files can be used to check for problems.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>  *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* "" <pseudomino at gmx.com>
> *Sent:* Tue, May 10, 2011 4:42
> *Subject:* [TRNSYS-users] Soil Noding plugin output file
>
>    Hi,
>
> In the Slab on grade model manual, I can see that the output file created
> in SketchUp by the Soil Noding plugin is like "_report.txt".
> My plugin created only these three files :
>
> ***_Soil Noding File.dat
> ***_Zone Areas.txt
> ***_delta.txt
>
> So I wonder which one to use in Type 49 ?
>
> I guess the difference in my case is that SketchUp wasn't installed when I
> installed TRNSYS 17, so I had to copy the
> "TRNSYS17/Tools/SoilNoding/TRNSYS_SlabNodingProgram_v2.rb" in
> "SketchUp/plugins".
> (I also noticed that the SketchUp plugin menu (on top of the screen), the
> plugin appears as "TESS Soil Noding Program" instead of "SoilNoding_2D" like
> in the manual's screenshot.)
>
> Thanks for your help
> (and excuse me for the huge number of questions...)
>
> Damien
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> ---------- Message transféré ----------
> From: "Matt Duffy" <duffy at tess-inc.com>
> To: pseudomino at gmx.com, thornton at tess-inc.com
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 09:12:55 -0500 (CDT)
> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Soil Noding plugin output file
>
> Dear Damien,
>
> I apologize I did not catch this earlier, but you are using the out-dated
> version of the noding plugin. Please contact your local TRNSYS distributor
> to obtain the *_v3.rb which was released in TRNSYS version 17.00.0018 (the
> current version is 17.00.0019) if you do not have it already.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt Duffy
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* "" <pseudomino at gmx.com>
> *Sent:* Wed, May 11, 2011 8:29
> *Subject:* Re: [TRNSYS-users] Soil Noding plugin output file
>
> Thank! s for your answer, but unfortunately, it doesn't work for me.
>
> I get this error in the list file
> *    Generated by Type     :    49
>     Message               : An error was found in the supplied values.
> Please check the data carefully.*
>
> I made a very simple test with a unique square zone and its soil, and it's
> the same.
>
> The Soil Noding File.dat file contains :
> *0 0 2 2
>
>
> 0.0 0.0*
> is this correct ?
>
> For information :
> Zone Areas.txt contains "Zone 1: 22.11m2"
> delta.txt contains
> *deltaX 1 is: 5.06
>
> deltaY 1 is: 4.37*
>
> Damien
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Message d'origine -----
>
> De : Jeff Thornton
>
> Envoyés : 10.05.11 19:16
>
> À : pseudomino at gmx.com, trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>
> Objet : Re: [TRNSYS-users] Soil Noding plugin output file
>
> You use the ***_Soil Noding File.dat file.  The other two contain the zone
> areas and the X and Y distances used by the models.  These other two files
> can be used to check for problems.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* "" <pseudomino at gmx.com>
> *Sent:* Tue, May 10, 2011 4:42
> *Subject:* [TRNSYS-users] Soil Noding plugin output file
>
>   Hi,
>
> In the Slab on grade model manual, I can see that the output file created
> in SketchUp by the Soil Noding plugin is like "_report.txt".
> My plugin created only these three files :
>
> ***_Soil Noding File.dat
> ***_Zone Areas.txt
> ***_delta.txt
>
> So I wonder which one to use in Type 49 ?
>
> I guess the difference in my case is that SketchUp wasn't installed when I
> installed TRNSYS 17, so I had to copy the
> "TRNSYS17/Tools/SoilNoding/TRNSYS_SlabNodingProgram_v2.rb" in
> "SketchUp/plugins".
> (I also noticed that the SketchUp plugin menu (on top of the screen), the
> plugin appears as "TESS Soil Noding Program" instead of "SoilNoding_2D" like
> in the manual's screenshot.)
>
> ! Thanks for your help
> (and excuse me for the huge number of questions...)
>
> Damien
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> ---------- Message transféré ----------
> From: "Matt Duffy" <duffy at tess-inc.com>
> To: "LIBIOT, Erwan" <E.LIBIOT at bouygues-construction.com>,
> trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 09:54:45 -0500 (CDT)
> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Questions about PID 23
>
> Hello Erwan,
>
> I apologize, but I do not have much experience with the component. However,
> there are two examples that demonstrate the use of the component in the
> following directory, ".\Examples\Feedback Control".
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt Duffy
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* "LIBIOT, Erwan" <e.libiot at bouygues-construction.com>
> *Sent:* Mon, May 9, 2011 3:49
> *Subject:* [TRNSYS-users] Questions about PID 23
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I'm a new trnsys user…
>
>
>
> Currently, I simulates an heating coil (type 670) with fan (type 662)
> regulated by a PID type 23. I fixed an input temperature outside, incoming
> air flow, HR, pressure and inlet fluid temperature of heating coil.
>
>
>
> My goal is to analyze the functioning of the PID 23. It regulates the
> heating coil fluid flow rate by comparing the output temperature of the fan
> to a set temperature
>
> (gain Kp = 10 ^-4 and Ti = 10 ^-4; Td = 0).
>
>
>
> By several simulations, I noticed that:
>
>
>
> _The time step simulation is significant in the convergence of the
> regulator (Doesn't it perform iterations between each time step?). A large
> time step does not allow the system converge.
>
>
>
>
>
> _Acting on the gain of the PID, convergence can be possible! Do you know
> why there is a dependency of these two parameters?
>
>
>
>
>
> _PID values, gain and Ti (integration time) are not to my knowledge in the
> orders of magnitude of value of real PID of this system... why this
> difference in value?
>
>
>
> If you have some information and/or model working fine about the PID 23...
>
>
>
> Thanks!!!
>
>
>
> LIBIOT Erwan
>
> Bouygues Batiment International
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