[TRNSYS-users] WG: 2nd error generating shading/insolation matrix -> too many shaders on projection plane

Mon May 23 03:05:25 PDT 2011

Dear Marion,

Still one very strange problem...
I have adapted the external shading device in the idf file like you side (so only for two windows introduced and this per orientation).
Know the model is imported without any problems in Trnsys 17 and no problem occurs by generating the shading matrix.

When I calculate the SHAD_x_y_z for the other windows following your formula, I become values going from 0 to +-0,56, which is 100% logical.
But when I make a link between this output (from the equation) and the input of the bui-file. I get an error: " 56      Message               : MULTIZONE BUILDING -    SHADING RATIO OF A WINDOW IS LARGER THAN 1 OR LESS THAN 0", but this is not the case, I printed the outputs.

In attachment you can find my files. I used the outputs of a window of classe3 and I linked it then with the external shading devices of the windows of classe1. When you delete these external shading devices, the tpf-file prints the outputs of the equation that are linked with the bui-file.

Kind regards,

Joke De Beuckelaer
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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: trnsys-users-bounces at cae.wisc.edu [mailto:trnsys-users-bounces at cae.wisc.edu] Namens Marion Hiller
Verzonden: donderdag 19 mei 2011 10:34
Aan: TRNSYS-users
Onderwerp: [TRNSYS-users] WG: 2nd error generating shading/insolation matrix -> too many shaders on projection plane

Dear Joke,

the previous email was sent accidentally. I didn't finish typing the equation. Please delete the previous one.

I debugged your project and it turns out that there are too many shaders

projected on the plane window/wall plane for clipping.
The shading routine isn't designed to calculate each lamella of a louver

for each window of a building. In addition each of your lamellas consist

of 6 surfaces. This results in 3040 shading surfaces!!!!

The solution is simplification without a significant loss of accuracy
(see attached image):
- delete all shading louvers except one for each orientation
- replace the six surfaces of a lamella by one sloped surface (the
diagonal
  surface in the shading box).

For these windows a shading matrix is calculated und the shading is
calculated automatically.

For the other windows you set the external shading factor to an input.
You define Ntype 103 (IBSHAD) and Ntype 104 (IDSHAD) for the windows
with the shading matrix. For each orientations this input is calculated
by an equation in the TRNSYS Project file

SHAD_ x_y_z = 1 - (IBSHAD+IDSHAD)/Window_area /IT_x_y_z
  with
IT_x_y_z  ... total incident radiation on kJ/hr on orientation x_y_z

If you still have trouble, please send me your IDF file.

Kind regards,

Marion

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Joke De Beuckelaer [mailto:joke.d at vkgroup.be]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2011 08:09
An: Marion Hiller
Cc: TRNSYS-users
Betreff: RE: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Error: generating shading/insolation
matrix

Dear Marion,

It's strange that the error occurs because the surface number>999. When
I deleted all the shading except 1 rectangle, the same error occurred.
Or is this number (999) with the surfaces of the model included?

In attachment you can find the original idf file. Normally I've send all

my files already, didn't you receive them?

I'm working with Trnsys version 17.00.0018.

Thanks a lot already for all your help and I hope you can find the
problem,
Kind regards,

Joke De Beuckelaer
project engineer mep

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INFRA

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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Marion Hiller [mailto:hiller at transsolar.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 17 mei 2011 13:27
Aan: Joke De Beuckelaer
CC: TRNSYS-users
Onderwerp: AW: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Error: generating shading/insolation
matrix

Joke,

the error message is due to too surface numbers > 999. The surface
number can't be written in the log file (artsmetiers7_shd.log) and ***
are written instead.

*** Notice at time        :         0.000000
 Orientation of wall   SURF=***: azimuth angle= 180.00°, slope=  90.00°
 Orientation of wall   SURF=***: azimuth angle=   0.00°, slope=   0.00°

In order to see why the surface numbers are so high (starting with
3993 instead of 1) I need to need the original *.idf and check the
import function.

With what version of TRNSYS17 are you working? I have in mind that we
fixed such a bug created by the import.

Kind regards,

Marion

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Joke De Beuckelaer [mailto:joke.d at vkgroup.be]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Mai 2011 08:58
An: duffy at tess-inc.com; trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
Betreff: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Error: generating shading/insolation matrix

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