[Equest-users] [Bldg-sim] 20th Anniversary Attempt at Humor

Sun May 26 14:35:29 PDT 2019

I agree totally with Christopher.

Related to John's comment about making EnergyPlus as easy to use as eQUEST,  I've just had 
an experience with EnergyPlus modeling that backs up John's concerns.  For a paper I'm 
writing comparing the attic modeling in various programs, I needed to update an old 
EnergyPlus residential model developed 4 years ago to a more current version.  After 
struggling for a day running the IDFVersionConverter (which by the way runs over 20 times 
for each version of EnergyPlus - clearly the developers had no concern with backward 
compatibility of input files), I got a modified IDF file that didn't run because of an 
input error about the nodes! Instead trying to debug that (anyone experienced with 
EnergyPlus will tell you that the System Loops are very hard to debug),  I then asked a 
colleague at LBNL if he had a working residential file, which he graciously sent me.  
However, when I looked at that file, I started to feel queasy because it was over 3,000 
lines long!  Just for a rectangular 1-zone (well actually 2-zone because there is an 
attic...) model ?

Joe

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On 5/17/2019 6:32 AM, Jones, Christopher via Equest-users wrote:
>
> I am a firm believer in the KISS principle. I also favor function over form.
>
> Creating an extremely complex energy model to compare against a baseline that has no 
> bearing on reality seems a bit silly to me. Especially when the modeling software 
> doesn’t include the functionality to model the proposed design (DOAS serving compartment 
> fans serving series fan powered boxes that have a dual-max control strategy). You have 
> to use a work-around anyway so why not use a modeling software that will run in 4 
> minutes vs. one that takes 23 hours because you decided to through in a few EMS controls 
> but you didn’t take time to program an EMS to model the humification as control as 
> designed.
>
> *Christopher R Jones, P.Eng.*
>
> T+ 1 416-644-0252
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> *From:* Bldg-sim [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *John 
> Aulbach via Bldg-sim
> *Sent:* Friday, March 08, 2019 4:25 PM
> *To:* Jason Glazer <jglazer at gard.com>; Jason Glazer via Bldg-sim 
> <bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Bldg-sim] 20th Anniversary Attempt at Humor
>
> Attaboy, Jason. As soon as someone makes Energy Plus as simple as eQuest, i might use 
> it. No one seems to have MADE an easy learn, and it took me too long to learn DOE 2 to 
> relearn another. As Captain Kirk once said "Hopping Galaxies is a job for the young.."
>
> Meriwether ESAS since 1977, DOE 2 since 1984, eQuest since 2004. And I probably have 
> forgotten more than I know.
>
> You are a great bunch of people !!
>
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>     On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:16 PM, Jason Glazer via Bldg-sim
>
>     <bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org <mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>> wrote:
>
>     Continuing the story....
>
>     Right after they finish ordering their coffees, the
>     EnergyPlus user starts walking to the exit.
>
>     The eQUEST user asks: "where are you going?"
>
>     The EnergyPlus user says: "I think mine should be ready in
>     an hour or two."
>
>
>     On 3/8/2019 3:03 PM, Michael J Witte via Bldg-sim wrote:
>     > An EnergyPlus user, an eQUEST user, and an IESVE user walk
>     > into a coffee shop.
>     >
>     > One orders a tall dark roast with room.
>     >
>     > The next one orders a venti medium roast with a shot of
>     > Irish whiskey, or make that two shots.
>     >
>     > The next one orders a grande creme brulee latte, with two
>     > extra shots, half-blonde, half-decaf, long ristretto
>     > shots, semi-dry, nonfat milk, no whip, extra sprinkles, in
>     > a mug for here.
>     >
>     > The other two just roll their eyes and shake their heads.
>     >
>     > <wait for it>
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > "What? I like lots of options. That's why I use EnergyPlus!"
>     >
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