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<p>I agree totally with Christopher.</p>
<p>Related to John's comment about making EnergyPlus as easy to use
as eQUEST, I've just had an experience with EnergyPlus modeling
that backs up John's concerns. For a paper I'm writing comparing
the attic modeling in various programs, I needed to update an old
EnergyPlus residential model developed 4 years ago to a more
current version. After struggling for a day running the
IDFVersionConverter (which by the way runs over 20 times for each
version of EnergyPlus - clearly the developers had no concern with
backward compatibility of input files), I got a modified IDF file
that didn't run because of an input error about the nodes!
Instead trying to debug that (anyone experienced with EnergyPlus
will tell you that the System Loops are very hard to debug), I
then asked a colleague at LBNL if he had a working residential
file, which he graciously sent me. However, when I looked at that
file, I started to feel queasy because it was over 3,000 lines
long! Just for a rectangular 1-zone (well actually 2-zone because
there is an attic...) model ? <br>
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<p>Joe<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/17/2019 6:32 AM, Jones,
Christopher via Equest-users wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am a firm believer in the KISS principle.
I also favor function over form.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Creating an extremely complex energy model
to compare against a baseline that has no bearing on reality
seems a bit silly to me. Especially when the modeling software
doesn’t include the functionality to model the proposed design
(DOAS serving compartment fans serving series fan powered
boxes that have a dual-max control strategy). You have to use
a work-around anyway so why not use a modeling software that
will run in 4 minutes vs. one that takes 23 hours because you
decided to through in a few EMS controls but you didn’t take
time to program an EMS to model the humification as control as
designed.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Aulbach via Bldg-sim<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 08, 2019 4:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jason Glazer <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jglazer@gard.com"><jglazer@gard.com></a>; Jason Glazer
via Bldg-sim <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org"><bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org></a>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] 20th Anniversary Attempt at
Humor<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Attaboy, Jason. As soon as someone makes
Energy Plus as simple as eQuest, i might use it. No one seems
to have MADE an easy learn, and it took me too long to learn
DOE 2 to relearn another. As Captain Kirk once said "Hopping
Galaxies is a job for the young.."<o:p></o:p></p>
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1984, eQuest since 2004. And I probably have forgotten more
than I know.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Right after they finish ordering their coffees, the <br>
EnergyPlus user starts walking to the exit.<br>
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The eQUEST user asks: "where are you going?"<br>
<br>
The EnergyPlus user says: "I think mine should be ready
in <br>
an hour or two."<br>
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On 3/8/2019 3:03 PM, Michael J Witte via Bldg-sim wrote:<br>
> An EnergyPlus user, an eQUEST user, and an IESVE
user walk <br>
> into a coffee shop.<br>
><br>
> One orders a tall dark roast with room.<br>
><br>
> The next one orders a venti medium roast with a
shot of <br>
> Irish whiskey, or make that two shots.<br>
><br>
> The next one orders a grande creme brulee latte,
with two <br>
> extra shots, half-blonde, half-decaf, long
ristretto <br>
> shots, semi-dry, nonfat milk, no whip, extra
sprinkles, in <br>
> a mug for here.<br>
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> The other two just roll their eyes and shake their
heads.<br>
><br>
> <wait for it><br>
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> "What? I like lots of options. That's why I use
EnergyPlus!"<br>
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