[TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS-users Digest, Vol 77, Issue 23

WALID KADRI walidenergetique at gmail.com
Sat May 7 15:06:41 PDT 2011
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Thank you, thank you very much.
I'm preparing my memoiry of master i'm special in mechanic engeneering of
thermal power, my memoiry is about ISCC integrated solai combine cycle
systeme, if you have in exemple projet in transys about this send it please
to study it

2011/5/8 WALID KADRI <walidenergetique at gmail.com>

> Thank you, thank you very much.
> I'm preparing my memoiry of master i'm special in mechanic engeneering of
> thermal power, my memoiry is about ISCC integrated solai combine cycle
> systeme, if you have in exemple projet in transys about this send it please
> to study it
>
> 2011/5/7 <trnsys-users-request at cae.wisc.edu>
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>>>   1. Re: question about a recurring error during simulation
>>>      (Matt Duffy)
>>>   2. Re: How to get kWh/m ?a (Matt Duffy)
>>>   3. Re: shading with tracking modes (Matt Duffy)
>>>   4. Re: How to get kWh/m?a (David BRADLEY)
>>>   5. Re: TRNSYS models for longwave radiation exchange withina
>>>      zone (simge andolsun)
>>>   6. Re: TRNSYS models for longwave radiation exchange withina
>>>      zone (Marion Hiller)
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>>>
>>> ---------- Message transféré ----------
>>> From: "Matt Duffy" <duffy at tess-inc.com>
>>> To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu, p.gelin at katene.fr
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:38:15 -0500 (CDT)
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] question about a recurring error during
>>> simulation
>>>
>>> Hello Pauline,
>>>
>>> Please check the convective heat transfer coefficient on the inside or
>>> outside of that window in the 'Window Typemanager'. I would recommend an
>>> internal calculation for the inside surface.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Matt Duffy
>>>
>>> *----- Original Message -----*
>>> *From:* "Pauline GELIN" <p.gelin at katene.fr>
>>> *Sent:* Fri, April 8, 2011 7:06
>>> *Subject:* [TRNSYS-users] question about a recurring error during
>>> simulation
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One of my simulations is interrupted due to this error :
>>>
>>> “
>>>
>>> Message: zone X surface Y pane temperature calculation is diverging at
>>> time 0.25000TDIF Nan
>>>
>>>                                ITPANE:31 ITCALC:51
>>>
>>> “
>>>
>>> (this error is repeated for lot of my building zones created in the
>>> plugin TRNSYS3D and completed  in TRNBuild)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In fact, during this simulation I just want to check the consistency of dif
>>> ferent times come into play in my real simulation (schedules in TRNBuild
>>> file, time of simulation by type 21, weather time for types 15-6 and 89e and
>>> finally planning imported in type 9).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you know what this error means and how can I fix it ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pauline Gelin,
>>>
>>> Katene engineer, fluid design office.
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>>> ---------- Message transféré ----------
>>> From: "Matt Duffy" <duffy at tess-inc.com>
>>> To: leohaeberlein at googlemail.com, trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:40:18 -0500 (CDT)
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] How to get kWh/m ²a
>>>
>>> Hello Leo,
>>>
>>> Yes, you may simply "print" your output with a Type25 printer component.
>>> It will print any output that you specify to a simply tab-delimited text
>>> file that you can open in Excel. Please view some of the examples for
>>> reference.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Matt Duffy
>>>
>>> *----- Original Message -----*
>>> *From:* "Leo Häberlein" <leohaeberlein at googlemail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Fri, April 8, 2011 7:45
>>> *Subject:* [TRNSYS-users] How to get kWh/m²a
>>>
>>> Hi Trnsys-Users,
>>>
>>> I know it might be an easy question, but i am pretty much a "rookie" when
>>> it comes to t! rnsys.
>>> I just wanted to ask, if and how i can get the kWh/m²a output for my
>>> building in an excel sheet or editor file??
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Leo
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>>> ---------- Message transféré ----------
>>> From: "Matt Duffy" <duffy at tess-inc.com>
>>> To: "BRENT CHESTER RUMINSKI" <bcr5083 at psu.edu>,
>>> trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:00:37 -0500 (CDT)
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] shading with tracking modes
>>> Dear Brent,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your emails to TESS and the TRNSYS-Users mailing list.
>>> First of all, if you're simulating PV, we're going to recommend that you use
>>> the Type551 shading device in the TESS Electrical (formerly Green Building)
>>> Library from the TESS Libraries 17.01. The existing Type551 could be
>>> modified to do a single axis (east-west axis) tracking without a whole lot
>>> of work; however, doing a 2-axis tracking would indeed be a lot of work.
>>> Since you are a TESS TRNSYS customer, you may email TESS Technical Support (
>>> techsupport at tess-inc.com) if you need a software update.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Matt Duffy
>>>
>>>
>>> *----- Original Message -----*
>>> *From:* "BRENT CHESTER RUMINSKI" <bcr5083 at psu.e! du>
>>> *Sent:* Fri, April 8, 2011 10:04
>>> *Subject:* [TRNSYS-users] shading with tracking modes
>>>
>>> I need to set up a model to predict shading effects on a fixed tilt, the
>>> two single axis, and 2 axis tracking modes for a PV array.  I have the type
>>> 30a component set up for the fixed tilt.  However, there are no components
>>> for the other three tracking modes.  Is there a way to adjust type 30a? Or
>>> does anyone know of a new component that can predict shading on a PV array
>>> with the other three tracking modes?
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>>> ---------- Message transféré ----------
>>> From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>>> To: "Leo Häberlein" <leohaeberlein at googlemail.com>
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:16:13 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] How to get kWh/m²a
>>>  Leo,
>>>  there is no direct output for energy density. I would recommend
>>> integrating the building energy use during your simulation then multiplying
>>> it by the building area afterwards in your Excel sheet.
>>> Best,
>>>  David
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/8/2011 07:45, Leo Häberlein wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Trnsys-Users,
>>>
>>> I know it might be an easy question, but i am pretty much a "rookie" when
>>> it comes to trnsys.
>>> I just wanted to ask, if and how i can get the kWh/m²a output for my
>>> building in an excel sheet or editor file??
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Leo
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> ***************************
>>> David BRADLEY
>>> Principal
>>> Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
>>> 22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
>>> Madison, WI  53703 USA
>>>
>>> P:+1.608.274.2577
>>> F:+1.608.278.1475d.bradley at tess-inc.com
>>> http://www.tess-inc.comhttp://www.trnsys.com
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>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Message transféré ----------
>>> From: simge andolsun <simgeandolsun at gmail.com>
>>> To: duffy at tess-inc.com
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:53:50 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS models for longwave radiation exchange
>>> withina zone
>>> Dear Matt Duffy,
>>>
>>> Thanks for recommending these resources. I have read them, but I am
>>> still not clear what is the difference between the standard (starnet)
>>> model and the simple (combined) method. In the TRNSYS 17 manual
>>> section Section 5.4.1.6, there is no explanation for the simple
>>> (combined) method (pg. 5-153). Could you please explain what is meant
>>> by simple (combined) method? What is its difference from the standard
>>> (starnet) model?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Simge Andolsun
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Matt Duffy <duffy at tess-inc.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Dear Simge,
>>> >
>>> > Section 5.4.1.6. of the documentation goes into detail about the long
>>> wave
>>> > radiation exchange. There was also a paper at BS2009.
>>> > http://www.ibpsa.org/proceedings/BS2009/BS09_1983_1988.pdf
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Best regards,
>>> >
>>> > Matt Duffy
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "simge andolsun" <simgeandolsun at gmail.com>
>>> > Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 21:23
>>> > Subject:[TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS models for longwave radiation exchange
>>> > withina zone
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Dear TRNSYS users,
>>> >
>>> > I am trying to understand the differences between the three radiation
>>> > models listed under "Longwave radiation exchange within a zone" in
>>> > "Radiation Modes of Thermal Zone" feature of TRNBuild. These models
>>> > are:
>>> >
>>> > 1) Standard model (starnet model)
>>> > 2) Simple model (one node model with combined heat transfer coeff.)
>>> > 3) Detailed model (based on view factors)
>>> >
>>> > The manuals do not refer to these radiation models using the exact
>>> > names listed in TRNBuild; therefore I am feeling difficulty
>>> > understanding which of the three models is actually being discussed.
>>> > Could you please briefly explain the primary differences between the
>>> > calculations of these radiation models? I would also appreciate it
>>> > very much if you could direct me to the specific sections of the
>>> > manual (or to the related papers/thesis) that I should read to learn
>>> > more about each model.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks in advance,
>>> > Best,
>>> > Simge Andolsun
>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- End of original message -----
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Message transféré ----------
>>> From: "Marion Hiller" <hiller at transsolar.com>
>>> To: simgeandolsun <simgeandolsun at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:24:37 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS models for longwave radiation exchange
>>> withina zone
>>> Dear Simge,
>>>
>>> perhaps the attached pdf helps understanding the difference.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Marion
>>>
>>> Dipl.-Ing. Marion Hiller
>>> TRANSSOLAR: KlimaEngineering - Technologien für energieeffizientes Bauen
>>> und Nutzerkomfort in Gebäude
>>> Munich - New York - Stuttgart + 49.711.67976.0
>>>
>>> Transsolar Energietechnik GmbH, Curiestrasse 2, 70563 Stuttgart
>>> Amtsgericht Stuttgart - HRB 23347, Steuernummer 99073/00911, USt-IdNr.:
>>> DE152272639
>>> Geschäftsführer: Dipl.Ing. Matthias Schuler, Dipl.Ing. Thomas Auer,
>>> Dipl.Phys. Stefan Holst, Prof. Dipl.-Ing. Bleicher
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: simge andolsun [mailto:simgeandolsun at gmail.com]
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. April 2011 00:54
>>> An: duffy at tess-inc.com
>>> Cc: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>> Betreff: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS models for longwave radiation
>>> exchange withina zone
>>>
>>> Dear Matt Duffy,
>>>
>>> Thanks for recommending these resources. I have read them, but I am
>>> still not clear what is the difference between the standard (starnet)
>>> model and the simple (combined) method. In the TRNSYS 17 manual
>>> section Section 5.4.1.6, there is no explanation for the simple
>>> (combined) method (pg. 5-153). Could you please explain what is meant
>>> by simple (combined) method? What is its difference from the standard
>>> (starnet) model?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Simge Andolsun
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Matt Duffy <duffy at tess-inc.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Dear Simge,
>>> >
>>> > Section 5.4.1.6. of the documentation goes into detail about the long
>>> wave
>>> > radiation exchange. There was also a paper at BS2009.
>>> > http://www.ibpsa.org/proceedings/BS2009/BS09_1983_1988.pdf
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Best regards,
>>> >
>>> > Matt Duffy
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "simge andolsun" <simgeandolsun at gmail.com>
>>> > Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 21:23
>>> > Subject:[TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS models for longwave radiation exchange
>>> > withina zone
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Dear TRNSYS users,
>>> >
>>> > I am trying to understand the differences between the three radiation
>>> > models listed under "Longwave radiation exchange within a zone" in
>>> > "Radiation Modes of Thermal Zone" feature of TRNBuild. These models
>>> > are:
>>> >
>>> > 1) Standard model (starnet model)
>>> > 2) Simple model (one node model with combined heat transfer coeff.)
>>> > 3) Detailed model (based on view factors)
>>> >
>>> > The manuals do not refer to these radiation models using the exact
>>> > names listed in TRNBuild; therefore I am feeling difficulty
>>> > understanding which of the three models is actually being discussed.
>>> > Could you please briefly explain the primary differences between the
>>> > calculations of these radiation models? I would also appreciate it
>>> > very much if you could direct me to the specific sections of the
>>> > manual (or to the related papers/thesis) that I should read to learn
>>> > more about each model.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks in advance,
>>> > Best,
>>> > Simge Andolsun
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > TRNSYS-users mailing list
>>> > TRNSYS-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>>
>>> > https://mailman.cae.wisc.edu/listinfo/trnsys-users
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- End of original message -----
>>> >
>>> >
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