[TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS-users Digest, Vol 77, Issue 11
WALID KADRI
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Sat May 7 14:24:49 PDT 2011
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> 1. open *.bui files of Trnsys15 using trnsys 17 (??)
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> ---------- Message transféré ----------
> From: 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
> To: Matt Duffy <duffy at tess-inc.com>, d.bradley at tess-inc.com,
> trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
> Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 16:14:43 +0200
> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] open *.bui files of Trnsys15 using trnsys 17
>
>
>
> Dear Mr. Duffy,
>
> Thanks for your reply!
>
> To 1): Do you have some advices for these questions? How could I run this
> Trnsys 15's *.tpf program by Trnsys 17? Or other way to run it? Since it's
> very important for me.
>
> To 2): You can open the *.bui ? Really? But once I open its *.bui file, it
> showed the ERROR. Please see the Attached.
> Why I can't open this *.bui file( the 3rd and 4th attached)? You can?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Br.
>
> wang
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Matt Duffy <duffy at tess-inc.com>
> Date: 2011/5/2
> Subject: Re: How to open *.tpf and *.bui files of Trnsys15 using trnsys 17
> To: wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com, d.bradley at tess-inc.com,
> trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>
>
> Dear Wang,
>
> 1. The blue lines are indeed the undefined connections. The reasons for
> this is that sometimes as components age through different versions, the
> inputs of the components are changed or modified.
>
> 2. I was able to open the *.bui (NOT the *.bld) without any problems.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt Duffy
>
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* "王洋" <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Mon, May 2, 2011 7:21
> *Subject:* [TRNSYS-users] Fwd: R How to open *.tpf and *.bui files of
> Trnsys15 using trnsys 17
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Mr. Bradley,
>
> Many thanks! You're right. But when I open the TRNSYS 15's
> *.tpf file using TRNSYS 17 studio, so many former informations lost, the
> links' color became BLUE, please see the ATTACHED.
>
> What's more, the TRNBUILD cann't open the former TRNSYS 15's
> *.bui file directly. It said, "cannot open BUI-File:(c:\trnsys
> 15\usr\Iwobay.bld)". Please see the 2nd ATTACHED. Please give me some
> advices to open them completely and keep all the former contents in detail
> using the TRNSYS 15/prebid/iisibat! I'm very eager to use those former
> programs.
>
> My support said to me, try to adapt the syntax in the .dec
> file to TRNSYS 17, but I tried, it still goes blank. Please see the 3rd
> ATTACHED. How to adapt the syntax in the .dec file to TRNSYS 17?
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Br.
>
> wang
>
>
>
>
>
> 2011/4/15 David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>
>> Wang,
>> I just tried and it looks as though File: Open works as expected. The
>> Trnsys17 Studio is used for opening *.tpf files; it will make its best
>> attempt at automatically updating certain simulation parameters that changed
>> between Trnsys15 and Trnsys16. TRNBuild is used for opening *.bui files; it
>> will ask you to redefine your window data as window data was stored in an
>> external file and not in the *.bui itself with Trnsys15.
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/15/2011 03:18, � wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>> How to open *.tpf and *.bui files of Trnsys 15 using trnsys 17? Please
>> tell me the detailed steps!
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> br.
>>
>> wang
>>
>> 2011/4/14 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
>>
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>>>> Today's Topics:
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>>>> 1. Re: time delay by means of type 93 (input value recall)
>>>> (David BRADLEY)
>>>> 2. Re: type 860 PCM Storage Units (David BRADLEY)
>>>> 3. Re: Ground Convection coefficient (David BRADLEY)
>>>> 4. Re: TRNSYS3D plugin question (Marion Hiller)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>>> From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>>>> To: Stefan Wachter <wachter at mail.hs-ulm.de>
>>>> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:44:56 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] time delay by means of type 93 (input value
>>>> recall)
>>>> Stefan,
>>>> Type93 simply holds onto a value for as many time steps as you ask it
>>>> to, then "releases" the value. The control ought to work the same regardless
>>>> of the system size. I am not sure what you mean by "continuous" controllers.
>>>> If you mean that there are some controllers that continuously modify a flow
>>>> rate in order to maintain an outlet temperature then a simple time delay
>>>> might cause some problems. You might look at some of the controllers
>>>> available in the TESS Controllers Library (for Trnsys17) as there are a
>>>> number of devices in there with minimum run times and start-delays.
>>>> Best,
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/8/2011 04:05, Stefan Wachter wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>>
>>>> I am new at trnsys-users.
>>>> Currently I`m modeling an already existing solar heating system (for hot
>>>> water).
>>>> In this system the loading pump is activated by a time delay of 4
>>>> minutes (after solar pump is launched).
>>>> I tried to model this as follows:
>>>>
>>>> - simulation time step: 2 minutes
>>>> - storage of the control signal of the solar pump over the last two time
>>>> steps by means of type 93 (input value recall)
>>>> - if the control signal of the solar pump is "1" in the stored two time
>>>> steps, then the loading pump is launched.
>>>>
>>>> It works (tried by a simple example deck) but does it also works in
>>>> context with a quite big deck (120 m² apertur area, 2 continuous
>>>> controllers)?
>>>> I`m concerned about that the small time step of 2 minutes could cause
>>>> problems (for example oscillations of the controllers).
>>>> Could this work or have someone of you another idea how i can solve this
>>>> problem?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>> Best regards.
>>>>
>>>> Stefan Wachter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Principal
>>>> Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
>>>> 22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
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>>>>
>>>> P:+1.608.274.2577
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>>> From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>>>> To: Filippo Busato <busato at gest.unipd.it>
>>>> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:11:52 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] type 860 PCM Storage Units
>>>> Filippo,
>>>> I am not familiar with Type860. However, there is a PCM wall material
>>>> component available in the user-donated Type library (TRNLib).
>>>>
>>>> http://sel.me.wisc.edu/trnsys/trnlib/library16.htm
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/13/2011 07:52, Filippo Busato wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>
>>>> I found in the report “Simulation Models of PCM storage
>>>> units” (IEA Report C5 Subtask C) that a Type 860 has been developed by the
>>>> Institute HEIG-VD in Yverdon-les-Bains Switzerland, by Jacques Bony and
>>>> Stephane Citherlet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would like to know if that type is distributed and whom could I
>>>> get/buy that from.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone help?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>
>>>> Filippo Busato
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Filippo Busato PhD
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>>>> David BRADLEY
>>>> Principal
>>>> Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
>>>> 22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
>>>> Madison, WI 53703 USA
>>>>
>>>> P:+1.608.274.2577
>>>> F:+1.608.278.1475d.bradley at tess-inc.com
>>>> http://www.tess-inc.comhttp://www.trnsys.com
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>>> From: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com>
>>>> To: pseudomino at gmx.com
>>>> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:16:16 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Ground Convection coefficient
>>>> As noted in TRNBuild (where you set the back side convection
>>>> coefficient), a value smaller than 0.001 is used to indicate direct contact
>>>> between a BOUNDARY wall and a temperature. A large value (such as 999) is
>>>> used with other wall categories (ADJACENT, EXTERNAL, etc.) to indicate good
>>>> thermal contact.
>>>> Best,
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/13/2011 10:30, pseudomino at gmx.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Usually, when using the assistant to create a multizone building, the
>>>> convection coefficient between the soil and the floor is set to 999 to
>>>> reproduce the absence of thermal resistance.
>>>>
>>>> But when I create a file using the Trnsys3D import from Sketchup, this
>>>> same coefficient is set by default to 0,001.
>>>> Why is that ?
>>>>
>>>> Please help me understand
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> ***************************
>>>> David BRADLEY
>>>> Principal
>>>> Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
>>>> 22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
>>>> Madison, WI 53703 USA
>>>>
>>>> P:+1.608.274.2577
>>>> F:+1.608.278.1475d.bradley at tess-inc.com
>>>> http://www.tess-inc.comhttp://www.trnsys.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>>>> From: "Marion Hiller" <hiller at transsolar.com>
>>>> To: trnsys-users <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>>>> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:14:43 +0200
>>>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS3D plugin question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Lampros,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When I saved and reopen the idf file, Outiner window showed 17 shading
>>>> objects (!) see attached idf file. Even though I believe that it
>>>> automatically created one object per surface, it is important to know
>>>>
>>>> 1. Is this normal?
>>>>
>>>> => Yes this is normal. Thr pluginallows you to draw several shading
>>>> surfaces into one group because it is more convienent than creating a group
>>>> for each surface.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Does this affect my calculations?
>>>> => Yes, this is the required input and therefore it is working fine J
>>>>
>>>> 3. Can I do something to make it behave properly?
>>>> => No, this is the proper behavour
>>>>
>>>> 4. Why does outliner window of my skp, even though it produces
>>>> errors, shows the shading objects properly?
>>>> => because it’s not an error.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Von:* Lampros Karalis [mailto:lkaralis at metal.ntua.gr]
>>>> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 13. April 2011 15:23
>>>> *An:* trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>>>> *Cc:* lkaralis at gmail.com
>>>> *Betreff:* [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS3D plugin question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am working with the latest version of the TRNSYS 3d plugin on windows
>>>> XP and using the trnsys 17.00019 version of the simulation Studio.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I already have sketched my building and defined the zones in it, as
>>>> described on the manual.
>>>>
>>>> The most common problems I have met so far have to do with some error
>>>> messages when I try to use the skp file. However I read Mr. ‘s Duffy note
>>>> that we should only use the idf file, and therefore I did not worry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My main problem begun when I started drawing the shadow objects that
>>>> affect my building. I did defined the objects as noted on the tutorial
>>>> (version June 2010) and on the Outliner Window I could see two Shading
>>>> Object groups, (one for the nearby building that affect mine and one for a
>>>> second construction that is attached to my building) Please see attached skp
>>>> file.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When I saved and reopen the idf file, Outiner window showed 17 shading
>>>> objects (!) see attached idf file. Even though I believe that it
>>>> automatically created one object per surface, it is important to know
>>>>
>>>> 5. Is this normal?
>>>>
>>>> 6. Does this affect my calculations?
>>>>
>>>> 7. Can I do something to make it behave properly?
>>>>
>>>> 8. Why does outliner window of my skp, even though it produces
>>>> errors, shows the shading objects properly?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any help would be most appreciated, specially on questions #1, #2
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards
>>>>
>>>> Lampros Karalis
>>>>
>>>>
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>> ***************************
>> David BRADLEY
>> Principal
>> Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
>> 22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
>> Madison, WI 53703 USA
>>
>> P:+1.608.274.2577
>> F:+1.608.278.1475d.bradley at tess-inc.com
>> http://www.tess-inc.comhttp://www.trnsys.com
>>
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