[Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
Tom Serra
tserra at emoenergy.com
Wed Jul 21 12:12:48 PDT 2010
Omar,
When you create your polygons using the wizard the placement of new spaces
using the detailed mode can be a little tricky. The wizard places zones
relative to the floor polygon that way it can know where to place exterior
walls. The space polygons are created at a the building reference. This
means that when you try and make custom zones by tracing in 2D polygon mode
of the Detailed Edit then the position of your space will be completely
thrown off. I don't actually fully understand the method being used to
position the space, I'm only attempting to explain it. Usually I avoid the
detailed data edit until I know the floor plan is fixed. Many people have
suggested keeping old copies of your wizard file so you can easily update
the polygons
If this is the only zone your are having issues with then you could just
adjust the space X,Y and Azimuth coordinates until it's lined up. (
Location= V11 of floor polygonX=70 Y=91.5 Azimuth=38.) The other
alternative would be to go back to the wizard file if you had saved it.
Hope this helps you leave so you can grab a drink or something.
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> 1. Re: Modifying Geometry (tim)
> 2. Remap Weather File Directory (Anthony Hardman)
> 3. Re: Modifying Geometry (tim)
> 4. Re: Modifying Geometry (Peter Hillermann)
> 5. Re: Modifying Geometry (Sami, Vikram)
> 6. Re: Modifying Geometry (Omar Katanani)
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "tim" <tim.jgrier at fuse.net>
> To: "'Li, Lan'" <lli at sbmce.com>, "'Carol Gardner'" <cmg750 at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:13:06 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
> Couldn’t agree more. That was my point. equest is an “energy” modeler.
> If someone wants to waste their life away learning how to model complex
> geometries in equest, that’s their choice, but I’m not sure it was meant to
> be used that way.
>
>
>
> After all, when the program starts up, it says itself in big letters “QUICK
> ENERGY SIMULATION TOOL” - the operative word being “QUICK”.
>
>
>
> Just trying to help out Omar with a little perspective is all, so thanks
> for helping to prove my point.
>
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Li, Lan [mailto:lli at sbmce.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:42 PM
> *To:* tim; Carol Gardner
> *Cc:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* RE: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> Tim,
>
>
>
> I think eQuest is an energy modeling program and we are more concerned in
> BTU/ton terms – or $$ at the end. If the roof was built somewhat differently
> by modeler as it was shown on architectural drawings, my question is only
> how much it will affect the energy usage. If it is a minor, I won’t drive
> myself crazy to make them same. If you read Ashare 90-1, simplify building
> geometry for energy simulation purpose is allowed. Also when we model a
> building, we can have tons of inputs and lots of assumptions are made either
> by us or by the program itself, I think majority of them can have a bigger
> impact on our goal than build a prefect roof/building shell. I might be one
> of the lazy modelers. Hope you can enjoy eQuest a little bit more.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Lan
>
>
>
> *Lan Li, PE*
>
> *Mechanical Engineer*
>
> Scheeser Buckley Mayfield LLC
>
> 1540 Corporate Woods Parkway
>
> Uniontown, OH 44685
>
> Phone: (330) 896-4664 ext. 123
>
> Cell: (330) 904-6292
>
> Fax: (330) 896-9180
>
> *lli at sbmce.com*
>
> www.sbmce.com
>
>
>
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> *From:* tim [mailto:tim.jgrier at fuse.net]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:29 PM
> *To:* 'Carol Gardner'
> *Cc:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> If you’re complimenting me on my observation, my awareness must be at an
> all-time high today.
>
>
>
> How about a complex roof shape like the one attached? Notice ridge lines
> don’t match and there is a gable at the porch end as well as the building
> end.
>
>
>
> Can equest do that too? As long as one would put in the training time of
> course…
>
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Carol Gardner [mailto:cmg750 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:01 PM
> *To:* tim
> *Cc:* Omar Katanani; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> Well, at least your powers of observation aren't suffering.
>
> Yes, you can model individual ceiling heights per room. You can do almost
> anything once you take the time to learn how. What are the specifics of what
> you want to do: model a room with two different ceiling heights or model a
> bunch of rooms with one height and a bunch with another height? A picture
> would be great if ya have one.
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:56 AM, tim <tim.jgrier at fuse.net> wrote:
>
> Wow – I think I struck a nerve.
>
>
>
> On a related note…
>
> Does equest have a way to model individual ceiling heights per room?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Carol Gardner [mailto:cmg750 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:43 PM
> *To:* tim
> *Cc:* Omar Katanani; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> I have got to protest this one, sorry Tim.
>
>
> Buying a Revit license to be able to accurately model geometry in eQUEST
> is, to be blunt, crazy. It's really pretty easy to revise your geometry and
> if you can't do that using one of the 3 methods I provided earlier, you need
> to figure out how to train yourself better or leave the field. It's not just
> a matter of being able to use eQUEST at this point, it's a matter of being
> able to generate an accurate model using any tool. Being able to import CAD
> or Revit data into energy models is a recent development. Frankly, I
> question it's utility, especially if people now think they have to use it or
> they can't model a building. Friendly front ends like eQUEST, DesignBuilder,
> etc., are great but you need to know how a building operates and how the
> systems work or it's just GIGO.
>
> Carol
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:29 AM, tim <tim.jgrier at fuse.net> wrote:
>
> Omar
>
> I haven’t had much luck with customizing spaces either.
>
> I think there is a way to import a revit model file into equest. If I
> needed complicated zones & spatial geometry, I would probably consider a
> revit license, but with that come’s more money ($4-$6k for 1 standalone
> license) and possibly more training, but might save a whole lot of headache.
>
>
>
> Seems like equest is more of an energy modeler than an accurate building
> modeler.
>
>
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *Omar Katanani
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:46 AM
> *To:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> Once again, another problem!
>
> I have several spaces which were geometrically modified in the design. For
> example, a room that was split into two different ones; with each room being
> a different hvac zone. How can I possibly split a room into two zones "1"
> and "2"? Shall I modify the geometry of the old zone to be that of zone "1",
> and then add another zone "2" from scratch? If this is what should be done,
> how can I do this accurately?
>
> Attached is the polygon view of one of my floors. When you look at them in
> 2-D or 3-D views, the building seems perfect in shape. Notice the rectangle
> to the left of the picture! This is actually a zone that lies inside the
> building. But it appears like this in polygon view. I think it is some
> problem of coordinate references or so!
> So when I need to modify the geometry according to coordinates of vertices,
> I'm suffering!
>
> Many thanks!
> Omar
>
> ___________________________
>
> Omar Katanani
> Sustainable Design Engineer
> Email: omar at ecoconsulting.net
>
>
> EcoConsulting (Lebanon)
> Nahas Building, 4th floor
> 4 St-Maron Street / Georges Haddad Avenue
> Postal Code: 2028 5806 SAIFI
> Beirut, Lebanon
> Tel: +961 (0) 1 971 255
> Mobile: +961 (0) 3 045 045
>
>
> EcoConsulting (UK) Ltd
> 28 Marshalsea Road
> London, SE1 1HF
> Tel: +44 (0)207 939 0989
> Fax: +44 (0)207 939 0981
> Website: www.ecoconsulting.net
>
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> Carol Gardner PE
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Anthony Hardman" <anthony at geoenergyservices.com>
> To: <equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>
> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:20:05 -0600
> Subject: [Equest-users] Remap Weather File Directory
>
> Does anyone know how to remap the directory eQ looks in to find weather
> files? I’ve migrated to a different machine and it’s looking in the wrong
> place for both new and archived projects. I’d prefer not to reinstall eQ if
> I can get away with it.
>
>
>
> *Anthony Hardman, P.E.*
>
> Building Energy Analyst
>
> LEED AP BD+C
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "tim" <tim.jgrier at fuse.net>
> To: "'Bishop, Bill'" <wbishop at pathfinder-ea.com>
> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:18:21 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
> Wow Bill – that is cool – thanks for that. Not sure I will be that adept
> after my 7000 square foot project, but it’s good to know the capabilities.
> This building was generated in equest? I did find where you can change the
> pitch of the roof by degrees!
>
>
>
> I have never use revit with equest btw – I was just reacting bitterly to my
> first go at trying to use that interface. I tried to customize zones and
> came up with some crazy thing that looked like a tree house for monkeys.
>
>
>
> Thanks for helping me believe.
>
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bishop, Bill [mailto:wbishop at pathfinder-ea.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:00 PM
> *To:* tim
> *Cc:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* RE: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> Tim,
>
>
>
> Yes, you can do complex roofs if you work at it and nobody reminds you that
> you’re working on a deadline. (See attached.) Ditto Carol’s Revit comment
> and Lan’s simpler-is-better-to-a-point advice.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *William Bishop, PE, BEMP, LEED® AP **|** **Pathfinder Engineers &
> Architects LLP***
>
> Mechanical Engineer
>
>
>
> 134 South Fitzhugh Street
> Rochester, NY 14608
> T: (585) 325-6004 Ext. 114
> F: (585) 325-6005
>
> wbishop at pathfinder-ea.com
>
> www.pathfinder-ea.com
>
> P Sustainability – less is more.
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *Li, Lan
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:42 PM
> *To:* tim; Carol Gardner
> *Cc:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> Tim,
>
>
>
> I think eQuest is an energy modeling program and we are more concerned in
> BTU/ton terms – or $$ at the end. If the roof was built somewhat differently
> by modeler as it was shown on architectural drawings, my question is only
> how much it will affect the energy usage. If it is a minor, I won’t drive
> myself crazy to make them same. If you read Ashare 90-1, simplify building
> geometry for energy simulation purpose is allowed. Also when we model a
> building, we can have tons of inputs and lots of assumptions are made either
> by us or by the program itself, I think majority of them can have a bigger
> impact on our goal than build a prefect roof/building shell. I might be one
> of the lazy modelers. Hope you can enjoy eQuest a little bit more.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Lan
>
>
>
> *Lan Li, PE*
>
> *Mechanical Engineer*
>
> Scheeser Buckley Mayfield LLC
>
> 1540 Corporate Woods Parkway
>
> Uniontown, OH 44685
>
> Phone: (330) 896-4664 ext. 123
>
> Cell: (330) 904-6292
>
> Fax: (330) 896-9180
>
> *lli at sbmce.com*
>
> www.sbmce.com
>
>
>
> Columbus Branch Office (614) 448-1498
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
> This e-mail (including any attachments) is confidential and may be legally
> privileged. If you are not an intended recipient or an authorized
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> copying or distributing the information in this e-mail or its attachments.
> If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender
> immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies of this message and any
> attachments.
>
> Thank you
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* tim [mailto:tim.jgrier at fuse.net]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:29 PM
> *To:* 'Carol Gardner'
> *Cc:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> If you’re complimenting me on my observation, my awareness must be at an
> all-time high today.
>
>
>
> How about a complex roof shape like the one attached? Notice ridge lines
> don’t match and there is a gable at the porch end as well as the building
> end.
>
>
>
> Can equest do that too? As long as one would put in the training time of
> course…
>
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Carol Gardner [mailto:cmg750 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:01 PM
> *To:* tim
> *Cc:* Omar Katanani; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> Well, at least your powers of observation aren't suffering.
>
> Yes, you can model individual ceiling heights per room. You can do almost
> anything once you take the time to learn how. What are the specifics of what
> you want to do: model a room with two different ceiling heights or model a
> bunch of rooms with one height and a bunch with another height? A picture
> would be great if ya have one.
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:56 AM, tim <tim.jgrier at fuse.net> wrote:
>
> Wow – I think I struck a nerve.
>
>
>
> On a related note…
>
> Does equest have a way to model individual ceiling heights per room?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Carol Gardner [mailto:cmg750 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:43 PM
> *To:* tim
> *Cc:* Omar Katanani; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> I have got to protest this one, sorry Tim.
>
>
> Buying a Revit license to be able to accurately model geometry in eQUEST
> is, to be blunt, crazy. It's really pretty easy to revise your geometry and
> if you can't do that using one of the 3 methods I provided earlier, you need
> to figure out how to train yourself better or leave the field. It's not just
> a matter of being able to use eQUEST at this point, it's a matter of being
> able to generate an accurate model using any tool. Being able to import CAD
> or Revit data into energy models is a recent development. Frankly, I
> question it's utility, especially if people now think they have to use it or
> they can't model a building. Friendly front ends like eQUEST, DesignBuilder,
> etc., are great but you need to know how a building operates and how the
> systems work or it's just GIGO.
>
> Carol
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:29 AM, tim <tim.jgrier at fuse.net> wrote:
>
> Omar
>
> I haven’t had much luck with customizing spaces either.
>
> I think there is a way to import a revit model file into equest. If I
> needed complicated zones & spatial geometry, I would probably consider a
> revit license, but with that come’s more money ($4-$6k for 1 standalone
> license) and possibly more training, but might save a whole lot of headache.
>
>
>
> Seems like equest is more of an energy modeler than an accurate building
> modeler.
>
>
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *Omar Katanani
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:46 AM
> *To:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> Once again, another problem!
>
> I have several spaces which were geometrically modified in the design. For
> example, a room that was split into two different ones; with each room being
> a different hvac zone. How can I possibly split a room into two zones "1"
> and "2"? Shall I modify the geometry of the old zone to be that of zone "1",
> and then add another zone "2" from scratch? If this is what should be done,
> how can I do this accurately?
>
> Attached is the polygon view of one of my floors. When you look at them in
> 2-D or 3-D views, the building seems perfect in shape. Notice the rectangle
> to the left of the picture! This is actually a zone that lies inside the
> building. But it appears like this in polygon view. I think it is some
> problem of coordinate references or so!
> So when I need to modify the geometry according to coordinates of vertices,
> I'm suffering!
>
> Many thanks!
> Omar
>
> ___________________________
>
> Omar Katanani
> Sustainable Design Engineer
> Email: omar at ecoconsulting.net
>
>
> EcoConsulting (Lebanon)
> Nahas Building, 4th floor
> 4 St-Maron Street / Georges Haddad Avenue
> Postal Code: 2028 5806 SAIFI
> Beirut, Lebanon
> Tel: +961 (0) 1 971 255
> Mobile: +961 (0) 3 045 045
>
>
> EcoConsulting (UK) Ltd
> 28 Marshalsea Road
> London, SE1 1HF
> Tel: +44 (0)207 939 0989
> Fax: +44 (0)207 939 0981
> Website: www.ecoconsulting.net
>
>
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>
>
> --
> Carol Gardner PE
>
>
>
>
> --
> Carol Gardner PE
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Peter Hillermann" <peterh at westallarchitects.com>
> To: "'tim'" <tim.jgrier at fuse.net>, "'Omar Katanani'" <
> omar at ecoconsulting.net>, <equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>
> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:28:53 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
> To All:
>
>
>
> Do not import from REVIT… I use REVIT, ECOTECT, 3DMax and many other
> products. If you want to create just geometry objects without building them
> in eQuest use ECOTECT or a DXF file from AutoCAD created in 3D. eQuest,
> Ecotect and AutoCAD understand and interpolate planar geometry which means
> when you create a cylinder you are in fact creating planes that segment a
> circle.
>
>
>
> Short Lesson.
>
>
>
> 2 ways to create surfaces are either by planar geometry or using nurbs.
> Nurbs are algorithims that are complex and it is what you see animators use
> to create faces, people etc… buildings are best created using planar
> geometries because it simplifies the models. With detail mode in eQuest you
> can create these planar surfaces on a grid however it becomes very
> complicated on larger projects because you have to keep track of your walls,
> roofs and ceiling coordinates from your 0,0,0 origin. This is why using the
> wizard with the AutoCAD underlay is so effective.
>
>
>
> This is also why objects tessellate when you create compound curves. In
> other words doing a Frank Gehry project in eQuest would be quite
> challenging. At this point you would probably need to move to a program like
> IES or do the calculations by hand.
>
>
>
> Back to eQuest.
>
>
>
> Go to building shell tab. Scroll down to polygons folder. Right click and
> select create new polygon. Fill out all the coordinate information.
>
>
>
> Scroll up to where you floor is identified. This is where you need to
> decide which space the geometry will belong to. Each space is created by the
> AutoCAD layout which you can get to from 2D geometry right clicking on the
> screen and selecting switch to polygon view. In polygon view you can create
> your different space shapes. These spaces are then where you attach your
> polygon too.
>
>
>
> These spaces you can use to create HVAC zones with.
>
>
>
> Hope this was not too complicated or long winded. I still think it is best
> to create your 3D geometries outside of eQuest if they are complicated
> import them and then modify spaces in eQuest.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> *PETER HILLERMANN*
>
>
>
> peterh at westallarchitects.com
>
>
>
> *westall*
>
> *architects*
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>
>
> *From:* equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *tim
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:30 PM
> *To:* 'Omar Katanani'; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> Omar
>
> I haven’t had much luck with customizing spaces either.
>
> I think there is a way to import a revit model file into equest. If I
> needed complicated zones & spatial geometry, I would probably consider a
> revit license, but with that come’s more money ($4-$6k for 1 standalone
> license) and possibly more training, but might save a whole lot of headache.
>
>
>
> Seems like equest is more of an energy modeler than an accurate building
> modeler.
>
>
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *Omar Katanani
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:46 AM
> *To:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> Once again, another problem!
>
> I have several spaces which were geometrically modified in the design. For
> example, a room that was split into two different ones; with each room being
> a different hvac zone. How can I possibly split a room into two zones "1"
> and "2"? Shall I modify the geometry of the old zone to be that of zone "1",
> and then add another zone "2" from scratch? If this is what should be done,
> how can I do this accurately?
>
> Attached is the polygon view of one of my floors. When you look at them in
> 2-D or 3-D views, the building seems perfect in shape. Notice the rectangle
> to the left of the picture! This is actually a zone that lies inside the
> building. But it appears like this in polygon view. I think it is some
> problem of coordinate references or so!
> So when I need to modify the geometry according to coordinates of vertices,
> I'm suffering!
>
> Many thanks!
> Omar
>
> ___________________________
>
> Omar Katanani
> Sustainable Design Engineer
> Email: omar at ecoconsulting.net
>
>
> EcoConsulting (Lebanon)
> Nahas Building, 4th floor
> 4 St-Maron Street / Georges Haddad Avenue
> Postal Code: 2028 5806 SAIFI
> Beirut, Lebanon
> Tel: +961 (0) 1 971 255
> Mobile: +961 (0) 3 045 045
>
>
> EcoConsulting (UK) Ltd
> 28 Marshalsea Road
> London, SE1 1HF
> Tel: +44 (0)207 939 0989
> Fax: +44 (0)207 939 0981
> Website: www.ecoconsulting.net
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Sami, Vikram" <Vikram.Sami at perkinswill.com>
> To: "Bishop, Bill" <wbishop at pathfinder-ea.com>, tim <tim.jgrier at fuse.net>
> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:32:42 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
> Bill,
>
>
>
> Couldn't help notice - you seem to have the roof modeled as a wall (vertex
> input) rather than a roof (top of space). Is it simpler to do it that way?
>
>
>
> *Vikram Sami*, LEED AP
>
> Sustainable Design Analyst
>
> 1382 Peachtree St. NE, Atlanta, GA 30309
>
> t: 404-443-7462 f: 404.892.5823 e: vikram.sami at perkinswill.com
> www.perkinswill.com
>
> *Perkins+Will.* Ideas + buildings that honor the broader goals of society
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *Bishop, Bill
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:00 PM
> *To:* tim
> *Cc:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> Tim,
>
>
>
> Yes, you can do complex roofs if you work at it and nobody reminds you that
> you’re working on a deadline. (See attached.) Ditto Carol’s Revit comment
> and Lan’s simpler-is-better-to-a-point advice.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *William Bishop, PE, BEMP, LEED® AP **|** **Pathfinder Engineers &
> Architects LLP***
>
> Mechanical Engineer
>
>
>
> 134 South Fitzhugh Street
> Rochester, NY 14608
> T: (585) 325-6004 Ext. 114
> F: (585) 325-6005
>
> wbishop at pathfinder-ea.com
>
> www.pathfinder-ea.com
>
> P Sustainability – less is more.
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *Li, Lan
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:42 PM
> *To:* tim; Carol Gardner
> *Cc:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> Tim,
>
>
>
> I think eQuest is an energy modeling program and we are more concerned in
> BTU/ton terms – or $$ at the end. If the roof was built somewhat differently
> by modeler as it was shown on architectural drawings, my question is only
> how much it will affect the energy usage. If it is a minor, I won’t drive
> myself crazy to make them same. If you read Ashare 90-1, simplify building
> geometry for energy simulation purpose is allowed. Also when we model a
> building, we can have tons of inputs and lots of assumptions are made either
> by us or by the program itself, I think majority of them can have a bigger
> impact on our goal than build a prefect roof/building shell. I might be one
> of the lazy modelers. Hope you can enjoy eQuest a little bit more.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Lan
>
>
>
> *Lan Li, PE*
>
> *Mechanical Engineer*
>
> Scheeser Buckley Mayfield LLC
>
> 1540 Corporate Woods Parkway
>
> Uniontown, OH 44685
>
> Phone: (330) 896-4664 ext. 123
>
> Cell: (330) 904-6292
>
> Fax: (330) 896-9180
>
> *lli at sbmce.com*
>
> www.sbmce.com
>
>
>
> Columbus Branch Office (614) 448-1498
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
> This e-mail (including any attachments) is confidential and may be legally
> privileged. If you are not an intended recipient or an authorized
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> immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies of this message and any
> attachments.
>
> Thank you
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* tim [mailto:tim.jgrier at fuse.net]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:29 PM
> *To:* 'Carol Gardner'
> *Cc:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> If you’re complimenting me on my observation, my awareness must be at an
> all-time high today.
>
>
>
> How about a complex roof shape like the one attached? Notice ridge lines
> don’t match and there is a gable at the porch end as well as the building
> end.
>
>
>
> Can equest do that too? As long as one would put in the training time of
> course…
>
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Carol Gardner [mailto:cmg750 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:01 PM
> *To:* tim
> *Cc:* Omar Katanani; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> Well, at least your powers of observation aren't suffering.
>
> Yes, you can model individual ceiling heights per room. You can do almost
> anything once you take the time to learn how. What are the specifics of what
> you want to do: model a room with two different ceiling heights or model a
> bunch of rooms with one height and a bunch with another height? A picture
> would be great if ya have one.
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:56 AM, tim <tim.jgrier at fuse.net> wrote:
>
> Wow – I think I struck a nerve.
>
>
>
> On a related note…
>
> Does equest have a way to model individual ceiling heights per room?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Carol Gardner [mailto:cmg750 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:43 PM
> *To:* tim
> *Cc:* Omar Katanani; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> I have got to protest this one, sorry Tim.
>
>
> Buying a Revit license to be able to accurately model geometry in eQUEST
> is, to be blunt, crazy. It's really pretty easy to revise your geometry and
> if you can't do that using one of the 3 methods I provided earlier, you need
> to figure out how to train yourself better or leave the field. It's not just
> a matter of being able to use eQUEST at this point, it's a matter of being
> able to generate an accurate model using any tool. Being able to import CAD
> or Revit data into energy models is a recent development. Frankly, I
> question it's utility, especially if people now think they have to use it or
> they can't model a building. Friendly front ends like eQUEST, DesignBuilder,
> etc., are great but you need to know how a building operates and how the
> systems work or it's just GIGO.
>
> Carol
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:29 AM, tim <tim.jgrier at fuse.net> wrote:
>
> Omar
>
> I haven’t had much luck with customizing spaces either.
>
> I think there is a way to import a revit model file into equest. If I
> needed complicated zones & spatial geometry, I would probably consider a
> revit license, but with that come’s more money ($4-$6k for 1 standalone
> license) and possibly more training, but might save a whole lot of headache.
>
>
>
> Seems like equest is more of an energy modeler than an accurate building
> modeler.
>
>
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *Omar Katanani
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:46 AM
> *To:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> Once again, another problem!
>
> I have several spaces which were geometrically modified in the design. For
> example, a room that was split into two different ones; with each room being
> a different hvac zone. How can I possibly split a room into two zones "1"
> and "2"? Shall I modify the geometry of the old zone to be that of zone "1",
> and then add another zone "2" from scratch? If this is what should be done,
> how can I do this accurately?
>
> Attached is the polygon view of one of my floors. When you look at them in
> 2-D or 3-D views, the building seems perfect in shape. Notice the rectangle
> to the left of the picture! This is actually a zone that lies inside the
> building. But it appears like this in polygon view. I think it is some
> problem of coordinate references or so!
> So when I need to modify the geometry according to coordinates of vertices,
> I'm suffering!
>
> Many thanks!
> Omar
>
> ___________________________
>
> Omar Katanani
> Sustainable Design Engineer
> Email: omar at ecoconsulting.net
>
>
> EcoConsulting (Lebanon)
> Nahas Building, 4th floor
> 4 St-Maron Street / Georges Haddad Avenue
> Postal Code: 2028 5806 SAIFI
> Beirut, Lebanon
> Tel: +961 (0) 1 971 255
> Mobile: +961 (0) 3 045 045
>
>
> EcoConsulting (UK) Ltd
> 28 Marshalsea Road
> London, SE1 1HF
> Tel: +44 (0)207 939 0989
> Fax: +44 (0)207 939 0981
> Website: www.ecoconsulting.net
>
>
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>
>
>
> --
> Carol Gardner PE
>
>
>
>
> --
> Carol Gardner PE
>
> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Omar Katanani" <omar at ecoconsulting.net>
> To: <equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>
> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:42:50 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
> Wow, I didn't know I would cause all this debate!!
>
> Anyways, I modified a zone that I want to split into 2 non-identical zones.
> Then I had a hole in my building.
> I created a new space and a new polygon. I fitted the polygon into the
> empty hole as seen in "2D Polygon.jpg".
>
> Then after I returned to the 2D view mode, I discovered that the space is
> not located properly!! It's 9:45PM and I'm still at the office! This
> modeling thing is frustrating!
>
> I also attach the eQUEST files, if someone can please help. If someone was
> very kind to clearly help me sort this zone out, I think I can continue the
> rest of the building zones modifications in peace!
>
> Many thanks!
> Omar
>
> ___________________________
>
> Omar Katanani
> Sustainable Design Engineer
> Email: omar at ecoconsulting.net
>
>
> EcoConsulting (Lebanon)
> Nahas Building, 4th floor
> 4 St-Maron Street / Georges Haddad Avenue
> Postal Code: 2028 5806 SAIFI
> Beirut, Lebanon
> Tel: +961 (0) 1 971 255
> Mobile: +961 (0) 3 045 045
>
>
> EcoConsulting (UK) Ltd
> 28 Marshalsea Road
> London, SE1 1HF
> Tel: +44 (0)207 939 0989
> Fax: +44 (0)207 939 0981
> Website: www.ecoconsulting.net
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org on behalf of tim
> Sent: Wed 7/21/2010 9:18 PM
> To: 'Bishop, Bill'
> Cc: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
> Wow Bill - that is cool - thanks for that. Not sure I will be that adept
> after my 7000 square foot project, but it's good to know the capabilities.
> This building was generated in equest? I did find where you can change the
> pitch of the roof by degrees!
>
>
>
> I have never use revit with equest btw - I was just reacting bitterly to my
> first go at trying to use that interface. I tried to customize zones and
> came up with some crazy thing that looked like a tree house for monkeys.
>
>
>
> Thanks for helping me believe.
>
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bishop, Bill [mailto:wbishop at pathfinder-ea.com<wbishop at pathfinder-ea.com>
> ]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:00 PM
> To: tim
> Cc: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: RE: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> Tim,
>
>
>
> Yes, you can do complex roofs if you work at it and nobody reminds you that
> you're working on a deadline. (See attached.) Ditto Carol's Revit comment
> and Lan's simpler-is-better-to-a-point advice.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> William Bishop, PE, BEMP, LEEDR AP | Pathfinder Engineers & Architects LLP
>
> Mechanical Engineer
>
>
>
> 134 South Fitzhugh Street
> Rochester, NY 14608
> T: (585) 325-6004 Ext. 114
> F: (585) 325-6005
>
> wbishop at pathfinder-ea.com
>
> www.pathfinder-ea.com
>
> P Sustainability - less is more.
>
> _____
>
> From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org
> [mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org>]
> On Behalf Of Li, Lan
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:42 PM
> To: tim; Carol Gardner
> Cc: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> Tim,
>
>
>
> I think eQuest is an energy modeling program and we are more concerned in
> BTU/ton terms - or $$ at the end. If the roof was built somewhat
> differently
> by modeler as it was shown on architectural drawings, my question is only
> how much it will affect the energy usage. If it is a minor, I won't drive
> myself crazy to make them same. If you read Ashare 90-1, simplify building
> geometry for energy simulation purpose is allowed. Also when we model a
> building, we can have tons of inputs and lots of assumptions are made
> either
> by us or by the program itself, I think majority of them can have a bigger
> impact on our goal than build a prefect roof/building shell. I might be one
> of the lazy modelers. Hope you can enjoy eQuest a little bit more.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Lan
>
>
>
> Lan Li, PE
>
> Mechanical Engineer
>
> Scheeser Buckley Mayfield LLC
>
> 1540 Corporate Woods Parkway
>
> Uniontown, OH 44685
>
> Phone: (330) 896-4664 ext. 123
>
> Cell: (330) 904-6292
>
> Fax: (330) 896-9180
>
> <mailto:lli at sbmce.com <lli at sbmce.com>> lli at sbmce.com
>
> www.sbmce.com <http://www.sbmce.com/>
>
>
>
> Columbus Branch Office (614) 448-1498
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
> This e-mail (including any attachments) is confidential and may be legally
> privileged. If you are not an intended recipient or an authorized
> representative of an intended recipient, you are prohibited from using,
> copying or distributing the information in this e-mail or its attachments.
> If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender
> immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies of this message and any
> attachments.
>
> Thank you
>
> _____
>
> From: tim [mailto:tim.jgrier at fuse.net <tim.jgrier at fuse.net>]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:29 PM
> To: 'Carol Gardner'
> Cc: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> If you're complimenting me on my observation, my awareness must be at an
> all-time high today.
>
>
>
> How about a complex roof shape like the one attached? Notice ridge lines
> don't match and there is a gable at the porch end as well as the building
> end.
>
>
>
> Can equest do that too? As long as one would put in the training time of
> course.
>
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Carol Gardner [mailto:cmg750 at gmail.com <cmg750 at gmail.com>]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:01 PM
> To: tim
> Cc: Omar Katanani; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> Well, at least your powers of observation aren't suffering.
>
> Yes, you can model individual ceiling heights per room. You can do almost
> anything once you take the time to learn how. What are the specifics of
> what
> you want to do: model a room with two different ceiling heights or model a
> bunch of rooms with one height and a bunch with another height? A picture
> would be great if ya have one.
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:56 AM, tim <tim.jgrier at fuse.net> wrote:
>
> Wow - I think I struck a nerve.
>
>
>
> On a related note.
>
> Does equest have a way to model individual ceiling heights per room?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Carol Gardner [mailto:cmg750 at gmail.com <cmg750 at gmail.com>]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:43 PM
> To: tim
> Cc: Omar Katanani; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>
>
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
> I have got to protest this one, sorry Tim.
>
>
> Buying a Revit license to be able to accurately model geometry in eQUEST
> is,
> to be blunt, crazy. It's really pretty easy to revise your geometry and if
> you can't do that using one of the 3 methods I provided earlier, you need
> to
> figure out how to train yourself better or leave the field. It's not just a
> matter of being able to use eQUEST at this point, it's a matter of being
> able to generate an accurate model using any tool. Being able to import CAD
> or Revit data into energy models is a recent development. Frankly, I
> question it's utility, especially if people now think they have to use it
> or
> they can't model a building. Friendly front ends like eQUEST,
> DesignBuilder,
> etc., are great but you need to know how a building operates and how the
> systems work or it's just GIGO.
>
> Carol
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:29 AM, tim <tim.jgrier at fuse.net> wrote:
>
> Omar
>
> I haven't had much luck with customizing spaces either.
>
> I think there is a way to import a revit model file into equest. If I
> needed complicated zones & spatial geometry, I would probably consider a
> revit license, but with that come's more money ($4-$6k for 1 standalone
> license) and possibly more training, but might save a whole lot of
> headache.
>
>
>
> Seems like equest is more of an energy modeler than an accurate building
> modeler.
>
>
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org
> [mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org>]
> On Behalf Of Omar
> Katanani
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:46 AM
> To: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> Once again, another problem!
>
> I have several spaces which were geometrically modified in the design. For
> example, a room that was split into two different ones; with each room
> being
> a different hvac zone. How can I possibly split a room into two zones "1"
> and "2"? Shall I modify the geometry of the old zone to be that of zone
> "1",
> and then add another zone "2" from scratch? If this is what should be done,
> how can I do this accurately?
>
> Attached is the polygon view of one of my floors. When you look at them in
> 2-D or 3-D views, the building seems perfect in shape. Notice the rectangle
> to the left of the picture! This is actually a zone that lies inside the
> building. But it appears like this in polygon view. I think it is some
> problem of coordinate references or so!
> So when I need to modify the geometry according to coordinates of vertices,
> I'm suffering!
>
> Many thanks!
> Omar
>
> ___________________________
>
> Omar Katanani
> Sustainable Design Engineer
> Email: omar at ecoconsulting.net
>
>
> EcoConsulting (Lebanon)
> Nahas Building, 4th floor
> 4 St-Maron Street / Georges Haddad Avenue
> Postal Code: 2028 5806 SAIFI
> Beirut, Lebanon
> Tel: +961 (0) 1 971 255
> Mobile: +961 (0) 3 045 045
>
>
> EcoConsulting (UK) Ltd
> 28 Marshalsea Road
> London, SE1 1HF
> Tel: +44 (0)207 939 0989
> Fax: +44 (0)207 939 0981
> Website: www.ecoconsulting.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE at ONEBUILDING.ORG
>
>
>
>
> --
> Carol Gardner PE
>
>
>
>
> --
> Carol Gardner PE
>
>
>
>
>
>
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