Omar,<br><br>When you create your polygons using the wizard the placement of new spaces using the detailed mode can be a little tricky. The wizard places zones relative to the floor polygon that way it can know where to place exterior walls. The space polygons are created at a the building reference. This means that when you try and make custom zones by tracing in 2D polygon mode of the Detailed Edit then the position of your space will be completely thrown off. I don't actually fully understand the method being used to position the space, I'm only attempting to explain it. Usually I avoid the detailed data edit until I know the floor plan is fixed. Many people have suggested keeping old copies of your wizard file so you can easily update the polygons<br>
<br><br>If this is the only zone your are having issues with then you could just adjust the space X,Y and Azimuth coordinates until it's lined up. ( Location= V11 of floor polygonX=70 Y=91.5 Azimuth=38.) The other alternative would be to go back to the wizard file if you had saved it.<br>
<br>Hope this helps you leave so you can grab a drink or something.<br>
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1. Re: Modifying Geometry (tim)<br>
2. Remap Weather File Directory (Anthony Hardman)<br>
3. Re: Modifying Geometry (tim)<br>
4. Re: Modifying Geometry (Peter Hillermann)<br>
5. Re: Modifying Geometry (Sami, Vikram)<br>
6. Re: Modifying Geometry (Omar Katanani)<br>
<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "tim" <<a href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net" target="_blank">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>><br>To: "'Li, Lan'" <<a href="mailto:lli@sbmce.com" target="_blank">lli@sbmce.com</a>>, "'Carol Gardner'" <<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmg750@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:13:06 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Couldn’t agree more. That was my point. equest
is an “energy” modeler. If someone wants to waste their
life away learning how to model complex geometries in equest, that’s
their choice, but I’m not sure it was meant to be used that way.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">After all, when the program starts up, it says itself in big
letters “QUICK ENERGY SIMULATION TOOL” - the operative word being “QUICK”.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Just trying to help out Omar with a little perspective is all,
so thanks for helping to prove my point.</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:42 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue;">Tim, </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue;">I think eQuest is an energy modeling program and we are more
concerned in BTU/ton terms – or $$ at the end. If the roof was built
somewhat differently by modeler as it was shown on architectural drawings, my
question is only how much it will affect the energy usage. If it is a minor, I
won’t drive myself crazy to make them same. If you read Ashare
90-1, simplify building geometry for energy simulation purpose is allowed. Also
when we model a building, we can have tons of inputs and lots of assumptions
are made either by us or by the program itself, I think majority of them can
have a bigger impact on our goal than build a prefect roof/building shell. I
might be one of the lazy modelers. Hope you can enjoy eQuest a little bit more.
</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> tim
[mailto:<a href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net" target="_blank">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Carol Gardner'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If you’re complimenting me on my observation, my awareness
must be at an all-time high today.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">How about a complex roof shape like the one attached?
Notice ridge lines don’t match and there is a gable at the porch end as
well as the building end.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Can equest do that too? As long as one would put in the
training time of course…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Tim</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Carol Gardner
[mailto:<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmg750@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Omar Katanani; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Well, at least your powers of
observation aren't suffering.<br>
<br>
Yes, you can model individual ceiling heights per room. You can do almost
anything once you take the time to learn how. What are the specifics of what
you want to do: model a room with two different ceiling heights or model a
bunch of rooms with one height and a bunch with another height? A picture would
be great if ya have one.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:56 AM, tim <<a href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net" target="_blank">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Wow – I think I struck a nerve.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">On a related note…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Does equest have a way to model
individual ceiling heights per room?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Tim</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Carol
Gardner [mailto:<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmg750@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Omar Katanani; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">I have
got to protest this one, sorry Tim. </p>
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Buying a Revit license to be able to accurately model geometry in eQUEST is, to
be blunt, crazy. It's really pretty easy to revise your geometry and if you
can't do that using one of the 3 methods I provided earlier, you need to figure
out how to train yourself better or leave the field. It's not just a matter of
being able to use eQUEST at this point, it's a matter of being able to generate
an accurate model using any tool. Being able to import CAD or Revit data into
energy models is a recent development. Frankly, I question it's utility,
especially if people now think they have to use it or they can't model a
building. Friendly front ends like eQUEST, DesignBuilder, etc., are great but
you need to know how a building operates and how the systems work or it's just
GIGO. <br>
<br>
Carol</p>
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Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:29 AM, tim <<a href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net" target="_blank">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Omar</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I haven’t had much luck with
customizing spaces either. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I think there is a way to import a revit
model file into equest. If I needed complicated zones & spatial geometry,
I would probably consider a revit license, but with that come’s more
money ($4-$6k for 1 standalone license) and possibly more training, but might
save a whole lot of headache.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Seems like equest is more of an energy
modeler than an accurate building modeler.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tim </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Dear all,<br>
<br>
Once again, another problem!<br>
<br>
I have several spaces which were geometrically modified in the design. For
example, a room that was split into two different ones; with each room being a
different hvac zone. How can I possibly split a room into two zones
"1" and "2"? Shall I modify the geometry of the old zone to
be that of zone "1", and then add another zone "2" from
scratch? If this is what should be done, how can I do this accurately?<br>
<br>
Attached is the polygon view of one of my floors. When you look at them in 2-D
or 3-D views, the building seems perfect in shape. Notice the rectangle to the
left of the picture! This is actually a zone that lies inside the building. But
it appears like this in polygon view. I think it is some problem of coordinate references
or so!<br>
So when I need to modify the geometry according to coordinates of vertices, I'm
suffering!<br>
<br>
Many thanks!<br>
Omar<br>
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prefer not to reinstall eQ if I can get away with it.</p>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "tim" <<a href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net" target="_blank">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>><br>To: "'Bishop, Bill'" <<a href="mailto:wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com" target="_blank">wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</a>><br>
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:18:21 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Wow Bill – that is cool – thanks for that. Not
sure I will be that adept after my 7000 square foot project, but it’s
good to know the capabilities. This building was generated in
equest? I did find where you can change the pitch of the roof by degrees!
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I have never use revit with equest btw – I was just
reacting bitterly to my first go at trying to use that interface. I tried
to customize zones and came up with some crazy thing that looked like a tree
house for monkeys.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks for helping me believe.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Tim</span></p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com" target="_blank">wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Tim,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Yes, you can do complex roofs if you work at it and nobody reminds
you that you’re working on a deadline. (See attached.) Ditto
Carol’s Revit comment and Lan’s simpler-is-better-to-a-point
advice.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Bill</span></p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Li, Lan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tim; Carol Gardner<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue;">Tim, </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue;">I think eQuest is an energy modeling program and we are more
concerned in BTU/ton terms – or $$ at the end. If the roof was built
somewhat differently by modeler as it was shown on architectural drawings, my
question is only how much it will affect the energy usage. If it is a minor, I
won’t drive myself crazy to make them same. If you read Ashare 90-1,
simplify building geometry for energy simulation purpose is allowed. Also when
we model a building, we can have tons of inputs and lots of assumptions are
made either by us or by the program itself, I think majority of them can have a
bigger impact on our goal than build a prefect roof/building shell. I might be
one of the lazy modelers. Hope you can enjoy eQuest a little bit more. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue;">Thanks!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue;">Lan</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> tim
[mailto:<a href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net" target="_blank">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Carol Gardner'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If you’re complimenting me on my observation, my awareness
must be at an all-time high today.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">How about a complex roof shape like the one attached?
Notice ridge lines don’t match and there is a gable at the porch end as
well as the building end.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Can equest do that too? As long as one would put in the
training time of course…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Tim</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Carol Gardner
[mailto:<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmg750@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Omar Katanani; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Well, at least your powers of
observation aren't suffering.<br>
<br>
Yes, you can model individual ceiling heights per room. You can do almost
anything once you take the time to learn how. What are the specifics of what
you want to do: model a room with two different ceiling heights or model a
bunch of rooms with one height and a bunch with another height? A picture would
be great if ya have one.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:56 AM, tim <<a href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net" target="_blank">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Wow – I think I struck a nerve.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">On a related note…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Does equest have a way to model
individual ceiling heights per room?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Tim</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Carol
Gardner [mailto:<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmg750@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Omar Katanani; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">I have
got to protest this one, sorry Tim. </p>
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Buying a Revit license to be able to accurately model geometry in eQUEST is, to
be blunt, crazy. It's really pretty easy to revise your geometry and if you
can't do that using one of the 3 methods I provided earlier, you need to figure
out how to train yourself better or leave the field. It's not just a matter of
being able to use eQUEST at this point, it's a matter of being able to generate
an accurate model using any tool. Being able to import CAD or Revit data into
energy models is a recent development. Frankly, I question it's utility,
especially if people now think they have to use it or they can't model a
building. Friendly front ends like eQUEST, DesignBuilder, etc., are great but
you need to know how a building operates and how the systems work or it's just
GIGO. <br>
<br>
Carol</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On
Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:29 AM, tim <<a href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net" target="_blank">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Omar</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I haven’t had much luck with
customizing spaces either. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I think there is a way to import a revit
model file into equest. If I needed complicated zones & spatial
geometry, I would probably consider a revit license, but with that come’s
more money ($4-$6k for 1 standalone license) and possibly more training, but
might save a whole lot of headache.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Seems like equest is more of an energy
modeler than an accurate building modeler.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tim </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Omar Katanani<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Dear all,<br>
<br>
Once again, another problem!<br>
<br>
I have several spaces which were geometrically modified in the design. For
example, a room that was split into two different ones; with each room being a
different hvac zone. How can I possibly split a room into two zones
"1" and "2"? Shall I modify the geometry of the old zone to
be that of zone "1", and then add another zone "2" from
scratch? If this is what should be done, how can I do this accurately?<br>
<br>
Attached is the polygon view of one of my floors. When you look at them in 2-D
or 3-D views, the building seems perfect in shape. Notice the rectangle to the
left of the picture! This is actually a zone that lies inside the building. But
it appears like this in polygon view. I think it is some problem of coordinate
references or so!<br>
So when I need to modify the geometry according to coordinates of vertices, I'm
suffering!<br>
<br>
Many thanks!<br>
Omar<br>
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___________________________<br>
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Omar Katanani<br>
Sustainable Design Engineer<br>
Email: <a href="mailto:omar@ecoconsulting.net" target="_blank">omar@ecoconsulting.net</a><br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Peter Hillermann" <<a href="mailto:peterh@westallarchitects.com" target="_blank">peterh@westallarchitects.com</a>><br>To: "'tim'" <<a href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net" target="_blank">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>>, "'Omar Katanani'" <<a href="mailto:omar@ecoconsulting.net" target="_blank">omar@ecoconsulting.net</a>>, <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:28:53 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<br><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">To All:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Do not import from REVIT… I use REVIT, ECOTECT, 3DMax and many other products. If you want to create just geometry objects without building them in eQuest use ECOTECT or a DXF file from AutoCAD created in 3D. eQuest, Ecotect and AutoCAD understand and interpolate planar geometry which means when you create a cylinder you are in fact creating planes that segment a circle.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Short Lesson.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">2 ways to create surfaces are either by planar geometry or using nurbs. Nurbs are algorithims that are complex and it is what you see animators use to create faces, people etc… buildings are best created using planar geometries because it simplifies the models. With detail mode in eQuest you can create these planar surfaces on a grid however it becomes very complicated on larger projects because you have to keep track of your walls, roofs and ceiling coordinates from your 0,0,0 origin. This is why using the wizard with the AutoCAD underlay is so effective.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This is also why objects tessellate when you create compound curves. In other words doing a Frank Gehry project in eQuest would be quite challenging. At this point you would probably need to move to a program like IES or do the calculations by hand.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Back to eQuest.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Go to building shell tab. Scroll down to polygons folder. Right click and select create new polygon. Fill out all the coordinate information.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Scroll up to where you floor is identified. This is where you need to decide which space the geometry will belong to. Each space is created by the AutoCAD layout which you can get to from 2D geometry right clicking on the screen and selecting switch to polygon view. In polygon view you can create your different space shapes. These spaces are then where you attach your polygon too.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">These spaces you can use to create HVAC zones with.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hope this was not too complicated or long winded. I still think it is best to create your 3D geometries outside of eQuest if they are complicated import them and then modify spaces in eQuest.</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Omar Katanani'; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry</span></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Omar</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I haven’t had much luck with customizing spaces either. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I think there is a way to import a revit model file into equest. If I needed complicated zones & spatial geometry, I would probably consider a revit license, but with that come’s more money ($4-$6k for 1 standalone license) and possibly more training, but might save a whole lot of headache.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Seems like equest is more of an energy modeler than an accurate building modeler.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Omar Katanani<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry</span></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Dear all,<br><br>Once again, another problem!<br><br>I have several spaces which were geometrically modified in the design. For example, a room that was split into two different ones; with each room being a different hvac zone. How can I possibly split a room into two zones "1" and "2"? Shall I modify the geometry of the old zone to be that of zone "1", and then add another zone "2" from scratch? If this is what should be done, how can I do this accurately?<br>
<br>Attached is the polygon view of one of my floors. When you look at them in 2-D or 3-D views, the building seems perfect in shape. Notice the rectangle to the left of the picture! This is actually a zone that lies inside the building. But it appears like this in polygon view. I think it is some problem of coordinate references or so!<br>
So when I need to modify the geometry according to coordinates of vertices, I'm suffering!<br><br>Many thanks!<br>Omar<br><br>___________________________<br><br>Omar Katanani<br>Sustainable Design Engineer<br>Email: <a href="mailto:omar@ecoconsulting.net" target="_blank">omar@ecoconsulting.net</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Couldn't help notice - you seem to have the roof modeled as a wall (vertex input) rather than a roof (top of space). Is it simpler to do it that way?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Yes, you can do complex roofs if you work at it and nobody reminds you that you’re working on a deadline. (See attached.) Ditto Carol’s Revit comment and Lan’s
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue;">I think eQuest is an energy modeling program and we are more concerned in BTU/ton terms – or $$ at the end. If the roof was built somewhat differently by modeler
as it was shown on architectural drawings, my question is only how much it will affect the energy usage. If it is a minor, I won’t drive myself crazy to make them same. If you read Ashare 90-1, simplify building geometry for energy simulation purpose is allowed.
Also when we model a building, we can have tons of inputs and lots of assumptions are made either by us or by the program itself, I think majority of them can have a bigger impact on our goal than build a prefect roof/building shell. I might be one of the
lazy modelers. Hope you can enjoy eQuest a little bit more. </span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:29 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If you’re complimenting me on my observation, my awareness must be at an all-time high today.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">How about a complex roof shape like the one attached? Notice ridge lines don’t match and there is a gable at the porch end as well as the building end.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Can equest do that too? As long as one would put in the training time of course…</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Carol Gardner [mailto:<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmg750@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Omar Katanani; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Well, at least your powers of observation aren't suffering.<br>
<br>
Yes, you can model individual ceiling heights per room. You can do almost anything once you take the time to learn how. What are the specifics of what you want to do: model a room with two different ceiling heights or model a bunch of rooms with one height
and a bunch with another height? A picture would be great if ya have one.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:56 AM, tim <<a href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net" target="_blank">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Wow – I think I struck a nerve.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">On a related note…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Does equest have a way to model individual ceiling heights per room?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Tim</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Carol Gardner [mailto:<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmg750@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Omar Katanani; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">I have got to protest this one, sorry Tim.
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Buying a Revit license to be able to accurately model geometry in eQUEST is, to be blunt, crazy. It's really pretty easy to revise your geometry and if you can't do that using one of the 3 methods I provided earlier, you need to figure out how to train yourself
better or leave the field. It's not just a matter of being able to use eQUEST at this point, it's a matter of being able to generate an accurate model using any tool. Being able to import CAD or Revit data into energy models is a recent development. Frankly,
I question it's utility, especially if people now think they have to use it or they can't model a building. Friendly front ends like eQUEST, DesignBuilder, etc., are great but you need to know how a building operates and how the systems work or it's just GIGO.
<br>
<br>
Carol</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:29 AM, tim <<a href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net" target="_blank">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Omar</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I haven’t had much luck with customizing spaces either.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I think there is a way to import a revit model file into equest. If I needed complicated zones & spatial geometry, I would probably
consider a revit license, but with that come’s more money ($4-$6k for 1 standalone license) and possibly more training, but might save a whole lot of headache.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Seems like equest is more of an energy modeler than an accurate building modeler.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tim
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Omar Katanani<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Dear all,<br>
<br>
Once again, another problem!<br>
<br>
I have several spaces which were geometrically modified in the design. For example, a room that was split into two different ones; with each room being a different hvac zone. How can I possibly split a room into two zones "1" and "2"? Shall I modify the geometry
of the old zone to be that of zone "1", and then add another zone "2" from scratch? If this is what should be done, how can I do this accurately?<br>
<br>
Attached is the polygon view of one of my floors. When you look at them in 2-D or 3-D views, the building seems perfect in shape. Notice the rectangle to the left of the picture! This is actually a zone that lies inside the building. But it appears like this
in polygon view. I think it is some problem of coordinate references or so!<br>
So when I need to modify the geometry according to coordinates of vertices, I'm suffering!<br>
<br>
Many thanks!<br>
Omar<br>
<br>
___________________________<br>
<br>
Omar Katanani<br>
Sustainable Design Engineer<br>
Email: <a href="mailto:omar@ecoconsulting.net" target="_blank">omar@ecoconsulting.net</a><br>
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:42:50 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<br>
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<p><font size="2">Wow, I didn't know I would cause all this debate!!<br>
<br>
Anyways, I modified a zone that I want to split into 2 non-identical zones. Then I had a hole in my building.<br>
I created a new space and a new polygon. I fitted the polygon into the empty hole as seen in "2D Polygon.jpg".<br>
<br>
Then after I returned to the 2D view mode, I discovered that the space is not located properly!! It's 9:45PM and I'm still at the office! This modeling thing is frustrating!<br>
<br>
I also attach the eQUEST files, if someone can please help. If someone was very kind to clearly help me sort this zone out, I think I can continue the rest of the building zones modifications in peace!<br>
<br>
Many thanks!<br>
Omar<br>
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Sustainable Design Engineer<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> on behalf of tim<br>
Sent: Wed 7/21/2010 9:18 PM<br>
To: 'Bishop, Bill'<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<br>
<br>
Wow Bill - that is cool - thanks for that. Not sure I will be that adept<br>
after my 7000 square foot project, but it's good to know the capabilities.<br>
This building was generated in equest? I did find where you can change the<br>
pitch of the roof by degrees! <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I have never use revit with equest btw - I was just reacting bitterly to my<br>
first go at trying to use that interface. I tried to customize zones and<br>
came up with some crazy thing that looked like a tree house for monkeys.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks for helping me believe.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Tim<br>
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<br>
From: Bishop, Bill [<a href="mailto:wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com" target="_blank">mailto:wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:00 PM<br>
To: tim<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
Subject: RE: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Tim,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Yes, you can do complex roofs if you work at it and nobody reminds you that<br>
you're working on a deadline. (See attached.) Ditto Carol's Revit comment<br>
and Lan's simpler-is-better-to-a-point advice.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
<br>
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P Sustainability - less is more.<br>
<br>
_____ <br>
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[<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Li, Lan<br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:42 PM<br>
To: tim; Carol Gardner<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Tim,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I think eQuest is an energy modeling program and we are more concerned in<br>
BTU/ton terms - or $$ at the end. If the roof was built somewhat differently<br>
by modeler as it was shown on architectural drawings, my question is only<br>
how much it will affect the energy usage. If it is a minor, I won't drive<br>
myself crazy to make them same. If you read Ashare 90-1, simplify building<br>
geometry for energy simulation purpose is allowed. Also when we model a<br>
building, we can have tons of inputs and lots of assumptions are made either<br>
by us or by the program itself, I think majority of them can have a bigger<br>
impact on our goal than build a prefect roof/building shell. I might be one<br>
of the lazy modelers. Hope you can enjoy eQuest a little bit more.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Lan<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Lan Li, PE<br>
<br>
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From: tim [<a href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net" target="_blank">mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>]<br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:29 PM<br>
To: 'Carol Gardner'<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
If you're complimenting me on my observation, my awareness must be at an<br>
all-time high today.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
How about a complex roof shape like the one attached? Notice ridge lines<br>
don't match and there is a gable at the porch end as well as the building<br>
end.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Can equest do that too? As long as one would put in the training time of<br>
course.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Tim<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Carol Gardner [<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:cmg750@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:01 PM<br>
To: tim<br>
Cc: Omar Katanani; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Well, at least your powers of observation aren't suffering.<br>
<br>
Yes, you can model individual ceiling heights per room. You can do almost<br>
anything once you take the time to learn how. What are the specifics of what<br>
you want to do: model a room with two different ceiling heights or model a<br>
bunch of rooms with one height and a bunch with another height? A picture<br>
would be great if ya have one.<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:56 AM, tim <<a href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net" target="_blank">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Wow - I think I struck a nerve.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On a related note.<br>
<br>
Does equest have a way to model individual ceiling heights per room?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Tim<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Carol Gardner [<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:cmg750@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:43 PM<br>
To: tim<br>
Cc: Omar Katanani; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I have got to protest this one, sorry Tim.<br>
<br>
<br>
Buying a Revit license to be able to accurately model geometry in eQUEST is,<br>
to be blunt, crazy. It's really pretty easy to revise your geometry and if<br>
you can't do that using one of the 3 methods I provided earlier, you need to<br>
figure out how to train yourself better or leave the field. It's not just a<br>
matter of being able to use eQUEST at this point, it's a matter of being<br>
able to generate an accurate model using any tool. Being able to import CAD<br>
or Revit data into energy models is a recent development. Frankly, I<br>
question it's utility, especially if people now think they have to use it or<br>
they can't model a building. Friendly front ends like eQUEST, DesignBuilder,<br>
etc., are great but you need to know how a building operates and how the<br>
systems work or it's just GIGO.<br>
<br>
Carol<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:29 AM, tim <<a href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net" target="_blank">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Omar<br>
<br>
I haven't had much luck with customizing spaces either. <br>
<br>
I think there is a way to import a revit model file into equest. If I<br>
needed complicated zones & spatial geometry, I would probably consider a<br>
revit license, but with that come's more money ($4-$6k for 1 standalone<br>
license) and possibly more training, but might save a whole lot of headache.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Seems like equest is more of an energy modeler than an accurate building<br>
modeler.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
tim <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
[<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Omar<br>
Katanani<br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:46 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
Subject: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Dear all,<br>
<br>
Once again, another problem!<br>
<br>
I have several spaces which were geometrically modified in the design. For<br>
example, a room that was split into two different ones; with each room being<br>
a different hvac zone. How can I possibly split a room into two zones "1"<br>
and "2"? Shall I modify the geometry of the old zone to be that of zone "1",<br>
and then add another zone "2" from scratch? If this is what should be done,<br>
how can I do this accurately?<br>
<br>
Attached is the polygon view of one of my floors. When you look at them in<br>
2-D or 3-D views, the building seems perfect in shape. Notice the rectangle<br>
to the left of the picture! This is actually a zone that lies inside the<br>
building. But it appears like this in polygon view. I think it is some<br>
problem of coordinate references or so!<br>
So when I need to modify the geometry according to coordinates of vertices,<br>
I'm suffering!<br>
<br>
Many thanks!<br>
Omar<br>
<br>
___________________________<br>
<br>
Omar Katanani<br>
Sustainable Design Engineer<br>
Email: <a href="mailto:omar@ecoconsulting.net" target="_blank">omar@ecoconsulting.net</a><br>
<br>
<br>
EcoConsulting (Lebanon)<br>
Nahas Building, 4th floor<br>
4 St-Maron Street / Georges Haddad Avenue<br>
Postal Code: 2028 5806 SAIFI<br>
Beirut, Lebanon<br>
Tel: +961 (0) 1 971 255<br>
Mobile: +961 (0) 3 045 045<br>
<br>
<br>
EcoConsulting (UK) Ltd<br>
28 Marshalsea Road<br>
London, SE1 1HF<br>
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