[Equest-users] Strange errors in file- HELP!

[Bruce Easterbrook]

I have a question, partly due to my ramble a few weeks ago on the 
wizards and how I use them.  After a long series of adjustments I 
shutdown and re-initialize the program.  My question is does eQuest take 
the INP file and create a new BDL file on opening the project?  I'm 
referring to the initial run (compile) eQuest does on opening, is it 
creating a new BDL file?
To second what everyone else is saying, certain errors are easier fixed 
in the INP file, like these ones.  The main thing to remember is to 
always have a backup copy.  The most important one is your last one 
before you leave the wizards.  Then go for it, if you crash it, copy 
your copy and try and other tack.
Bruce
Abode Eng.

On 09/07/2010 02:48 PM, Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr. wrote:
> one thing you can do is make changes to the .pd2 and .inp files using 
> notepad once you've figured out what you need to change.   for 
> example, if your EL3 East Perim Plnm (G.E6) was referenced but is no 
> longer defined, you have a plenum space that belonged to a space that 
> changed names during a zoning change.  look at the .inp file line 
> number, find out which space the EL3 East Perim Plnm (G.E6) is 
> supposed to correlate to and change the name accordingly - in the .inp 
> file.  once these references are corrected the simulation should run 
> fine.
>
> you're probably looking at changing EL3 East Perim Plnm (G.E6) to 
> whatever the new space name is (checking what comes before line 14898 
> can put you in the right direction on finding the correct name to 
> change to.
>
> and when you have a working simulation always backup your .pd2 (wizard 
> mode) and/or .inp (detailed mode) files even if you just copy them in 
> the same directory.
>
> *ERROR****************************************************************************************
>
> *ERROR*****EL3 East Perim Plnm (G.E6) was referenced on line 14898 but 
> never
>
> defined.
>
> *ERROR****************************************************************************************
>
> *ERROR*****EL3 West Perim Spc (G.W4) was referenced on line 15237 but 
> never
>
> defined.
>
> *ERROR****************************************************************************************
>
> *ERROR*****EL3 WNW Perim Plnm (G.WNW7) was referenced on line 15377 
> but never
>
> defined.
>
>
>
> On 7/9/10 11:23 AM, Carol Gardner wrote:
>> Hmm. Well I'm not sure I understand exactly what you are asking, but 
>> here are my recommendations. Finish what you need to do in DDWizard 
>> and get out of it. I wouldn't even try to make the changes you are 
>> trying to make while in the Wizard.
>>
>> Don't fear DD edit. You can do things in it just as easily as in the 
>> Wizard, and if you get stuck we'll help. Like I said earlier, the 
>> easiest way to see what and where the error is, is to open up the 
>> .bdl and .inp files. That might be even scarier to you than DD edit, 
>> and that's okay, you should be scared. You can mess up in a hurry but 
>> with careful work you won't.
>>
>> Take a deep breath and get out of the Wizard!!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Carol
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Paul Brooks <equestpaul at yahoo.com 
>> <mailto:equestpaul at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Carol, Dave, and Mtt:
>>     Thank you for the replies.  I did look in the BDL file, but did
>>     not realize I had to update the inp.
>>     That being said, am I safe in assuming that, if I stay in the
>>     DDwizard (not quite ready to leave yet), every time i add
>>     information and compile, I will have the same error.  The root
>>     cause of the error is in the interface, correct?  If that is the
>>     case, then the reality is it just cannot be fixed unless i change
>>     the inp file after compiling?
>>     Thank you again!
>>
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     *From:* Carol Gardner <cmg750 at gmail.com <mailto:cmg750 at gmail.com>>
>>     *To:* Paul Brooks <equestpaul at yahoo.com
>>     <mailto:equestpaul at yahoo.com>>
>>     *Cc:* eQuest user forum <equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>>     <mailto:equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>>
>>     *Sent:* Fri, July 9, 2010 1:32:58 PM
>>     *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Strange errors in file- HELP!
>>
>>     Hi Paul,
>>
>>     Here's my strategy when this happens to me. I open the *.inp*
>>     file and the *.bd*l file in Word. I then use the Edit, Find
>>     feature and search on ERROR in the *.bdl* file. When I find the
>>     line that the error is occurring in I then fix it in the *.inp*
>>     file. Repeat until all errors gone. You probably have an existing
>>     space that shared an interior wall with your now deleted space
>>     and is trying to reference it using" NEXT-TO". Be sure to fix the
>>     error in the *.inp* file not the .bdl file, which I have done a
>>     few times. This is one example of why it is good to familiarize
>>     yourself with the Building Descriptive Language (BDL): you can
>>     make these sorts of fixes much easier in your input deck using
>>     than trying to figure it out in DD edit. Just be sure not to
>>     delete any delimiters (..)
>>
>>     Let me know how you do..
>>
>>     Carol
>>
>>     On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Paul Brooks <equestpaul at yahoo.com
>>     <mailto:equestpaul at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         I am modeling an addition to an existing building.  I
>>         originally did the shell/zoning using just the original
>>         building.  I then, after saving a back up copy of the base
>>         building, i went back to the shell and zone drawing screens
>>         in the DD wizard and expanded the shell to account for the
>>         addition, and then went into the zone creation and adjusted
>>         my zones.  I was sure to follow the rules about matching
>>         verticies, etc.
>>         Now i am getting errors concerning the zone and plenum.  It
>>         appears that the program is still seeing plenums and walls
>>         that are now non-existent.  The program says that plenums are
>>         being referenced but are not defined (see error message below).
>>         Anyone got any ideas on how to clear this?
>>
>>         *ERROR****************************************************************************************
>>
>>         *ERROR*****EL3 East Perim Plnm (G.E6) was referenced on line
>>         14898 but never
>>
>>         defined.
>>
>>         *ERROR****************************************************************************************
>>
>>         *ERROR*****EL3 West Perim Spc (G.W4) was referenced on line
>>         15237 but never
>>
>>         defined.
>>
>>         *ERROR****************************************************************************************
>>
>>         *ERROR*****EL3 WNW Perim Plnm (G.WNW7) was referenced on line
>>         15377 but never
>>
>>         defined.
>>
>>         **************************************** 5 ERRORS
>>
>>         **************************************** 2 WARNINGS
>>
>>         **************************************** 103 CAUTIONS
>>
>>         *20195* COMPUTE ..
>>
>>         *20196* STOP ..
>>
>>         **************************************** 5 ABORT-LEVEL
>>         DIAGNOSTICS
>>
>>
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