[UA] Suicide countdown

[S McDaniel]

As in many cases, I find myself in the middle ground -
the cry for attention is often a specific cry for help
regarding feeling like suicide is a or the option, as
in wanting someone to pay enough attention to show a
way out of the suicidal desire.  I neither glorify or
villify* the idea, but to quote some fairly
insensitive but largely right website addressed to
those contemplating it: "Good job - you've only hurt
those who gave a shit!"

I agree with Russell that it's topical - suicide is
linked with mental illness (though not
comprehensively), and as someone stated in another
posting, it could certainly be compared to the
ultimate in entropo- and epidermimancer gambits. :)




--- "Rayburn, Russell E." <RERayburn at Columbus.gov>
wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ua-bounces at lists.unknown-armies.com
> [mailto:ua-bounces at lists.unknown-armies.com] On
> Behalf Of Magnus Lie
> Hetland
> >Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:34 AM
> >To: The Unknown Armies RPG Mailing List
> >Subject: Re: [UA] Suicide countdown
> >
> >But... This is getting really off topic fast, I
> guess.
> 
> Not so much, IMHO... after all, going full-bore
> whackado is an integral
> part of UA, so discussions of madness and suicide
> seem at least vaguely
> on topic.
> 
> Of the three suicides I've known, I have (somewhat)
> detailed information
> only on two.
> 
> One was a 12 year old girl.  Taunted and teased by
> her "peers", she
> broke into dad's gun cabinet and ate a bullet as he
> was getting ready to
> take her to school.  
> 
> About two years after her death, Dad was cleaning
> out their home in
> preparation to move.  He found a note, undated and
> unaddressed, written
> by his dead daughter.  She complained about being
> taunted and tormented
> in school by girls because she was fat.  So I
> suppose you could call
> that note a cry for help, or something... it might
> have been if someone
> found it.
> 
> The next was a 15 year old boy.  Hung himself in a
> closet.  No note, and
> to this day no indication of what he was upset
> about... at least, not to
> my knowledge.  I do think autoerotic asphyxiation
> was ruled out, since
> his death was categorized as suicide, not as an
> accident / death by
> misadventure.
> 
> Lastly, there was a 42 year old woman.  Mother of 2,
> she was an active
> alcoholic.  Locked herself in an apartment, away
> from hubby and the kids
> in the 'burbs, with a case of scotch ( iirc ).  She
> drank enough in a
> short enough period of time that she passed out and
> died from alcohol
> poisoning.  No note.  No indication she wanted
> anyone to know what she
> was planning, or wanted anyone to stop her.
> 
> So I think I'm with Greg on this one.  Trying to
> generalize just doesn't
> look like it works.  Sure, with the advantage of
> hindsight you could
> cherry-pick statements/actions the now deceased made
> and say they were
> an indication... but I tend to think that anyone who
> blatantly makes
> suicidal statements wants attention.  The others
> want to die.
> 
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