[UA] Valentine's day Archtypes

[Alex Lampros]

Come to think of it, if you're defining lovers based on Romeo and Juliet,
the idea of love should probably be working towards getting together,
despite obstacles.  That would fit with western movies, where the movie
always ends when they get together.  This would, of course, mean there's
a lot of turnover - someone hits godwakler, uses their powers to get
together, and the whole thing ends.  Such a dramatic rise and fall
wouldn' tbe inappropriate for the Rome and Juliet concept of the Lover,
of course.    

The taboo could be like the Pilgrim - if you give up love to spend a week
on your SATs, you're not as strongly connected to the Archtype.  

One channel might be for sneaking around.  Or maybe for making people
turn a blind eye?  Ie., the way people parents sometime turn a blind eye
to relationships they wouldn't approve of.  So the channel could be
making someone not act on information related to the lovers.  Handy for
parents or police!

Also, the idea of Synergistic archtypes has a lot of potential.  You
could go with, say, the True King and the Necessary Servant, with the
dark and patriarchal view that women's work sucks but has to be done
(and, even more cynically, that women don't enjoy sex but do it anyway to
fufill men's needs.  Not pleasant to think about, but rooted in Victorian
culture, prositution, et cetera)  The goal then, might be to make it so
that the Necessary Servant gets treated well and enjoys a postion of
power - perhaps replacing it with "the Power behind the Thrown", another
nasty, old fashioned view of women.  you could also encounter some really
unpleasant godwalkers this way. 

If you feel this is too dated, maybe have a blond as a Fool and a
football player as a Warrior?  

Or go for some symbolic genderfuck.  Make the woman the True King, and
instill in her all the attributes that would be stereotypically
associated with a "True King" man.  Ie, make her guy a follower, use
magic so that she really has the sexual needs some psychologists thought
men had.  Edit the guy's personality so its something simimliarly
stereotypical.  Have fun as you get interactions of their real and edited
personalities.  Just don't let them play it as stereotypically butch/fem.
 Having stereotypically male attitudes doesn't mean you walk with a
swagger.   Having those two as Godwalkers, and watch the cosmic gender
fuck, as the archtype gets wrenched into supporting the genders for the
roles they traditionally oppose in a form of cosmic affirmative action. 
Or, let them ascend as "the made King" (a ruler installed on the thrown)
and "The Grateful Servant" (since Victorian women stereotypically needed
men).  

Anyway.  Whatever you do, make it a theme of the campaign.  Ie, if the
lovers represent striving, you should see people striving in concert at
various moments during the campaign.  If they represent good
interpersonal communication, have some moments of tearful honesty.  

Ok, sorry if that was a bit much.

yours,

alex


On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:41:41 -0600, "Hammons, Jade"
<jade.hammons at attws.com> said:
> Hmmm...   I would be tempted to create a new paranormal category for
> this.
> 
> Synergistic Effects:
> 
> The interaction of two or more avatars in an archetypal relationship.
> (Not unlike Comedia Del'art)
> 
> It's not the lovers (plural) archetype it's the interaction of 2 lover
> avatars. Which is to say they could still have the same channels, but
> base it on a Synergy: Lover/Lover skill. The synergy skill would be
> limited somehow by the partners own avatar skills, though if it should
> be their own, their partners, or the lowest avatar skill of the two I
> don't know. 
> 
> Many relationships would form these types of synergistic archetypes.
> Lover/Lover, Lover/Lover/Lover, Mother/Father, etc.
> 
> Some might even spontaneously generate, forming a mythology all it's own
> as it does so. Such is the nature of the invisible clergy. it would in
> effect be an avatar bond.
> 
> Sherlock Holmes/Moriarty, Romeo/Juliet, Woodward/Bernstein/Deep Throat,
> anyone that is as strongly associated with an avatar, as they are with
> another person also an avatar. If Dirk Allen channels the chronicler, or
> something similar, no doubt some odd synergy has formed with the Freak's
> Mystic Hermaphrodite.
> 
> Not that the Lovers is a bad idea, I just think it is a window into an
> entirely new room, not just a snapshot in an already established one.
> 
> 
> Jade Hammons
> "Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be
> normal." - Albert Camus
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ua-bounces at lists.unknown-armies.com
> [mailto:ua-bounces at lists.unknown-armies.com]On Behalf Of Susan Dohnim
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 4:18 PM
> To: ua at lists.unknown-armies.com
> Subject: RE: [UA] Help with a new archetype: The Lovers
> 
> 
> Quick clarification so I don't appear to be a complete idiot:
> 
> >Well avatars are all about behaviors, not attitudes, right?
> 
> . . .
> 
> >Any feelings of jealously on either side, for any reason (even if 
> >unfounded) would be taboo.
> 
> Um, I meant to say, any expression of jealousy (direct or indirect) to
> the 
> partner might be taboo.
> 
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