[UA] occult paraphernalia

Wed Mar 6 12:11:33 PST 2002

I'm not a theologian, but I don't seem to remeber any banning of RPG'ing in
any holy book christian, jewish or other.

Its important not to confuse orthodoxy with fundamentalism. In many parts of
the world, even the most fanatical christian parents don't worry about their
childs D&D etc. because it hasn't had all the publicity like in America.
Over here, for example, barely anyone has even heard of RPG's (I'm in the
UK) and no "Dark Dungeons" has been published.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mathieu Laine" <mathiu at sympatico.ca>
To: <ua at lists.uchicago.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [UA] occult paraphernalia

> why was i under the impression that orthodox jews, like orthodox
christians,
> could not participate in such things as rpgs?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Dinowitz" <mdinowit at i-2000.com>
> To: <ua at lists.uchicago.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:33 AM
> Subject: RE: [UA] occult paraphernalia
>
>
> > ok, I'll do this again. Jews (like me) tend to use the spelling Kabbalah
> and when you see that in a book there's a good chance your seeing
something
> Jewish. Hermetics tend to use the q spelling because they have such a love
> for the germans. Lets me explain that. The first letter of Kabbalah is a
> Kuf. As this has basically the same sound as a Kaf, linguists decided to
> transliterate the Kaf as a K and the Kuf as a Q. This has led to people
> stating up and down (usually non-Hebrew speaking people) that the word is
> pronounced with the Q making a Qua sound rather than a Ka sound. Loooooong
> fight between those who use and live the language and those who just use
it
> to describe their occult tradition.
> > Cabala is used by some hermetics and is usually seen as being of the
> Christian school. Don't get me started on that either.
> > And yes, I'm an Orthodox Jew, I read and speak Hebrew and study
> traditional Kabbalah as well as know some of the hermetic tradition (which
I
> don't follow).
> > Oy again.
> >
> > At 09:10 AM 3/6/02, you wrote:
> > >Gah, it's translated from Hebrew, in the name of Eris.  It doesn't
matter
> how we spell it, we're still not using the original form.
> > >
> > >Being something of a chaos magician myself, I'm tempted to join the
list,
> but honestly I think it would be more annoying then it's worth.
> > >
> > >Saul
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Doug Stalker" <doug at infinitemonkeyproductions.net>
> > >>Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
> > >>To: <ua at lists.uchicago.edu>
> > >>Subject: RE: [UA] occult paraphernalia
> > >>Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:53:06 +1000
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>It's a list for pratitioners of Chaos Magick (or magic, magik, or
> whatever)
> > >>called the zee-list
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>details at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/4052/zcintr.htm ,
> > >>including how to subscribe (write to an email address and ask) as well
> as
> > >>plenty of fun links.
> > >>archive at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/4052/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>It has a lot of crap, since it's an unmoderated list full of chaotes,
> but
> > >>there is also a lot of useful information to be mined from it -
> especially
> > >>ideas for roleplaying games.  It also features such fun events as the
> flame
> > >>war over the proper spelling of
> > >>Kabalah/Cabalah/Qabalah/Quabalah/QBL/whatever.  It's like a large
> clueless
> > >>cabal that has a little knowledge of tilts, but no idea why they work.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> - Doug
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: ua-admin at lists.uchicago.edu
> [mailto:ua-admin at lists.uchicago.edu]On
> > >>> Behalf Of Sonja Pieper
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2002 6:58 PM
> > >>> To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
> > >>> Subject: Re: [UA] occult paraphernalia
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Doug Stalker wrote:
> > >>> > Here's a message from another mailing list - if you ever need
> > >>> to descibe a
> > >>> > house full of modern occult paraphernalia, this is a perfect
> > >>> description.
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> > >>> may I just ask, what kind of list that is _you_ are on?
> > >>>
> > >>> *curiosity overwhelming me*
> > >>>
> > >>> ciao
> > >>> sonja
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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