[UA] Quadruple Goddess?

[Kali Magdalene]

Greg Stolze wrote:
> 
> Now, lessee... if I remember the whole Magdaline thing right, there's no
> SCRIPTURAL basis for assuming that she's a whore.  Culturally, she's been
> conflated with the Woman Taken In Adultery (who's unnamed) and I think that
> some pope may have even said "Yeah, that's the same woman" -- but was he
> speaking infallibly?  Anyhow, the main support I've heard for the Magdaline
> = Whore argument is that she (and her sister Martha) are the two who paid
> Jesus' bills.  Apparently some Bible scholars just assumed that Mary must
> have been a prostitute 'cause, hey, where else would she get money?

I haven't studied it that closely, just some casual armchair theology. 

> Then there's the whole business about how Mary Magdaline basically treats
> Jesus the way that a traditional Hebrew wife would treat her husband...

True, true.
 
> >Well, I think the Naked Goddess is of course, none of them. I think all
> >four are *much* older roles, naturally, and might view TNG as something
> >as a Janey-come-lately.
> 
> Yeah, that sounds good to me.  The Whore's key feature is accessibility
> (for good and bad).  The NG isn't accessible: She's the IMAGE of
> accessibility.  (Of course, Tynes re-invention or re-envisionment of her in
> UA might move this away from the beloved WECHBY idea -- which was, after
> all, just Eugene's theorizing.)

What is the WECHBY idea?
 
> How do we reconcile the WECHBY notion with the UA2 affinity notion?  That
> is, Tynes made some adjustments in UA2 to more explicitly explain why
> pornomancy has such a strong element of coincidence -- you want something
> and it "fortuitously" stumbles into your lap, Forrest Gump-like.  The NG,
> then, sits at the intersection between desire and synchronicity.

That's good stuff, btw, love it. Want to play a pornomancer. :)

> >When I think of the Maiden, I think of Diana in the classical sense. Not
> >the huntress part, but the maiden/virgin part. She's not exactly
> >available, or really even sexual. She punished Actaeon for seeing her
> >(by transforming him into a *noble* beast - a stag, interestingly
> >enough). She is independent and stuff, but I'm not trying to step on
> >Flying Woman's toes with these thoughts, so.
> 
> Upside = Unspoiled, Downside = Largely Stagnant?  Just spitballing...

Good stuff. I'd add to the Downside: naivete.
 
> >The Crone is wisdom mixed with the fear of death and the loss of what
> >society sees as desireable in a woman (that is, youth and beauty of a
> >certain standard). I think the Crone would be the most terrifying of the
> >archetypes in this instance. Just think of the various crone-goddesses -
> >Hekate and Kali come to mind (imagine that) - but there are quite a few
> >and they're often associated with evil tidings or death or in general
> >frightening things.
> 
> Upside = Wise, and free from social expectation.  Downside = possibly
> bitter, and not limited by social justice or tradition?  Again,
> spitballing...

Good spitballing, I think it stuck to the wall.

Someone'll have to clean that up.

Your spitballing reminds me of a bit in Fried Green Tomatoes - one of
the characters, an older woman, crashes into someone else who just took
the parking space she wanted. Her comment: "I'm older and have better
insurance."
 
> An interesting thing to work in (if we ever do something with the whole
> Triple Goddess schtick) would be that if a Virgin avatar is willing to act
> the Whore for a while, she could (if she knows what she's doing) transfer
> the remnants of her Virgin skill into the Mother skill.  A similar
> transformation take you from Mother to Crone?  In each case, there'd be
> some skill erosion -- I mean, if you jump from Virgin to Whore then yes,
> your taboos have obviously just been trampled.  Similarly, the Mother who
> starts acting Whorish is cracking Taboo...

It would be interesting, if progression from one the next is necessary,
that they have to break the taboos to ground themselves in the new
archetype. 

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