[UA] Albino Love (OT)

[Edward Parsons]

Regarding WoD being "Anti-D&D" there is the terribly terribly pretentious
line in V:TM story tellers handbook where it rants about how much better
Vampire is than regular "Beer And Pretzel" RPG's

I'm not too fond of WW, though if you'd asked me a year ago, I would have
worshipped the ground they walked on. Now I am hopelessly entranced by
Wraith, but plain bored by Hunter, Werewolf and Mage. Vamp and changeling
are ok though....

Just my opinion.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick O'Duffy" <redfern at thehub.com.au>
To: <ua at lists.uchicago.edu>
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [UA] Albino Love (OT)


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Royal Minister of Stuff" <yokeltania at yahoo.com>
> To: <ua at lists.uchicago.edu>
>
> > Seriously, though, elitism is a HUMUNGOUS problem in
> > gaming society.  I slip into every now and then and
> > one of the reasons I avoid Wwolfness is that there
> > just seems to be an air of "Better-than-thou" ness to
> > the whole milieu.  Maybe I'm wrong, but this is an
> > opinion thing, not a research thing.
>
> For what it's worth, I think you're wrong. You're taking an attitude held
by
> _some_ players of WW games, and projecting that attitude onto the games
and
> the company as a whole.
>
> > Actually, the main reason I jump all over Albino
> > Fleabag stuff is as a form of self defense.  They've
> > got some very alluring style on their side.  A lot of
> > the stuff they put out is like marketing candy. It can
> > be an effort of consumer will not to pick up one of
> > their shiny new supplements.
>
> And why would picking up a WW supplement be a bad thing?
>
> > Unfortunately, I also find it harder and harder to
> > work with as I get older and the WoD gets more "nailed
> > down."
>
> Then ignore the stuff you don't like, just as you'd ignore the stuff you
> don't like in a UA sourcebook.
>
> Again, why is this a particularly WW sin?
>
> > I've been chastized for expressing my opinions on the
> > big WW before and there was some validity in it.  I
> > also know that a lot of the people on this list get
> > paychecks from their work on the WoD.
>
> Mea culpa, I'm one of those. I like to think I'm not particularly biased -
I
> write WW games, but I generally don't play them or have any emotional
> investment in their worlds - but I could be wrong.
>
> You're entitled to hold any opinions you want to, of course. I'm not
> 'chastizing' anyone for opinions. I'm just disagreeing with those
opinions,
> and saying elitism is stupid. It ain't like I'm coming to your house to
> tattoo 'VAMPIRE RULEZ' on your arse.
>
> > But most of the worst gaming experiences I've ever had
> > center around the WoD and its followers.  It seemed
> > like White Wolf set out to turn everyone against D&D
> > and the "old bad way" of gaming and encouraged things
> > like interviews for roleplaying groups or "selective
> > casting," shit I really don't need.  It seemed like
> > they tried to strain the geek out of gaming and that
> > hurt.
>
> I strongly doubt that that is true - again, I think you're projecting the
> attitudes of some gamers onto the company. I can't see WW as being
> 'anti-D&D', given that they're one of the largest publishers of D&D
material
> after WotC.
>
> But even if it was true - are these attitudes unique to White Wolf? Is
there
> something _wrong_ with not playing with gamers whose styles are
incompatible
> with your own? Is there something wrong with wanting to run a _good_
> campaign, and working to improve whatever you perceive as the game's good
> qualities?
>
> > I like to see the elitism tables turned every now and
> > then, but, like I've said before, I'm trying to quit.
>
> We're talking about an industry where the biggest players make less money
> than tire rebalancing centres. It's a pocket industry. Elitism in such a
> small environment is nonsensical, as far as I'm concerned - it's like
> fighting over which local hooker has the most pockmarked thighs. There are
> better things to spend intellectual energy on.
>
> > (I'm down to six White Wolf disses a day, now.)
>
> Maybe your doctor can perscribe a patch, like they give to smokers...
>
> --
> Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia
>
> Okay, it's started. His brain is wrong. If I empty this bag, we can
collect
> it as it runs out of his ears.
>
> - Yelena Rossini, TRANSMETROPOLITAN #54
>
>
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