[UA] The Outsider: miscellaneous observations

[Royal Minister of Stuff]

--- Tim Toner <thanatos at interaccess.com> wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Stolze <holycrow at mindspring.com>
> To: <ua at lists.uchicago.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 6:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [UA] The Outsider: miscellaneous
> observations
> 
> > >The Vampire -- another Cain aspect -- emphasizes
> the
> > >frightening/seductive power of the Outsider, the
> infectiousness of his
> > >condition, and his invulnerability. The Whore
> plays the same sexual
> > >role.
> >
> > Actually, the Cain(e) --> Vampire connection is, I
> *think*, mostly a White
> > Wolf confabulation.  

<snip>
>> I agree that vampires were not what they
> were prior to Stoker
> (though it can be argued that Byron's fragment,
> expanded by Polidori, was a
> step in the right direction), but they seem to be
> different beasties than
> all the others in that they were born human, and
> then something
> happened--exactly what happened to Cain, regardless
> of whether you go to
> JHVH or Rein8Hagen for your inspiration. 

The deluge destroyed all of Caine's progeny, both in
Genesis 6,7 and 8 and in the Septateuch (sp?).  Lilith
survived in some Jewish lore and some extra-cannonical
stuff to create nightmares and, sometimes, monsters. 
But the Caine being the father of all vampires stuff
is a bit of license on Rein-dot-Hagen's part.  It was
a clever way of reworking a myth (most of Vampire was
pretty clever, except the rules, which were basically
Shadowrun with d10s.  I kind of liked the
"Disciplines" part until people started saying I
couldn't mix and match unless I was one of them
clanless types.) 

PS. Is Grendel related to Caine?  I don't remember
that bit.


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