[UA] Re:UA digest, Vol 1 #707 - 1 msg (Hello)
Gethyn Edwards
gethyn_edwards at wragge.com
Wed Jun 6 12:44:06 PDT 2001
Hello
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Gethyn
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Hello
I'm currently on holiday.
I'll be back on Tuesday 12th June.
Please get in touch with Simon Davis (4122) or Hazel Healy (4088) if the matter you need to contact me about can't wait until then.
Many thanks
Gethyn
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Hello
I'm currently on holiday.
I'll be back on Tuesday 12th June.
Please get in touch with Simon Davis (4122) or Hazel Healy (4088) if the matter you need to contact me about can't wait until then.
Many thanks
Gethyn
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Hello
I'm currently on holiday.
I'll be back on Tuesday 12th June.
Please get in touch with Simon Davis (4122) or Hazel Healy (4088) if the matter you need to contact me about can't wait until then.
Many thanks
Gethyn
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Hello
I'm currently on holiday.
I'll be back on Tuesday 12th June.
Please get in touch with Simon Davis (4122) or Hazel Healy (4088) if the matter you need to contact me about can't wait until then.
Many thanks
Gethyn
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Hello
I'm currently on holiday.
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Please get in touch with Simon Davis (4122) or Hazel Healy (4088) if the matter you need to contact me about can't wait until then.
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Gethyn
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Hello
I'm currently on holiday.
I'll be back on Tuesday 12th June.
Please get in touch with Simon Davis (4122) or Hazel Healy (4088) if the matter you need to contact me about can't wait until then.
Many thanks
Gethyn
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Hello
I'm currently on holiday.
I'll be back on Tuesday 12th June.
Please get in touch with Simon Davis (4122) or Hazel Healy (4088) if the matter you need to contact me about can't wait until then.
Many thanks
Gethyn
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Hello
I'm currently on holiday.
I'll be back on Tuesday 12th June.
Please get in touch with Simon Davis (4122) or Hazel Healy (4088) if the matter you need to contact me about can't wait until then.
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Hello
I'm currently on holiday.
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Please get in touch with Simon Davis (4122) or Hazel Healy (4088) if the matter you need to contact me about can't wait until then.
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Gethyn
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Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 19:43:48 +0100
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Hello
I'm currently on holiday.
I'll be back on Tuesday 12th June.
Please get in touch with Simon Davis (4122) or Hazel Healy (4088) if the matter you need to contact me about can't wait until then.
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1. Glowing wounds (Kevin Elmore)
2. Re:UA digest, Vol 1 #696 - 1 msg (Hello) (Gethyn Edwards)
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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:39:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Elmore <kelmore at rocketmail.com>
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Subject: [UA] Glowing wounds
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Hey, this sounds like one of those bullshit stories Greg
made up for supernatural events like cattle mutilation
*grin*
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010606/hl/wounds_1.html
Kevin
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Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 19:40:24 +0100
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Hello
I'm currently on holiday.
I'll be back on Tuesday 12th June.
Please get in touch with Simon Davis (4122) or Hazel Healy (4088) if the matter you need to contact me about can't wait until then.
Many thanks
Gethyn
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Hello
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Please get in touch with Simon Davis (4122) or Hazel Healy (4088) if the matter you need to contact me about can't wait until then.
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Gethyn
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Hello
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Please get in touch with Simon Davis (4122) or Hazel Healy (4088) if the matter you need to contact me about can't wait until then.
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Gethyn
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1. RE: Re[3]: [UA] Religion (Joe Murphy (Broin))
2. RE: Final Countdown (Joe Murphy (Broin))
3. Re:UA digest, Vol 1 #693 - 2 msgs (Hello) (Gethyn Edwards)
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From: "Joe Murphy \(Broin\)" <broin at notzen.com>
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Subject: RE: Re[3]: [UA] Religion
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:25:14 +0100
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ua-admin at lists.uchicago.edu [mailto:ua-admin at lists.uchicago.edu]On
> Behalf Of Radoslaw Galus
> Sent: 06 June 2001 18:15
> To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
> Subject: Re[3]: [UA] Religion
>
>
> From: Andrew <Andrew at Ducker.org.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:56 PM
>
>
[snip]
> > How would one try and persuade a member of the Occult Underground out
> > of their obsession? Especially as they would tend to have proof that
> > their obsession worked...
>
[snip]
> So if it's a gradual descent into madness, one step at a time and the
> adept/avatar isn't far along the way it should be possible to
> make him snap
> out of it by showing him what awaits him at the end of his journey. Don't
> talk, don't try to persuade him - it will only make matters
> worse. Show him
> a couple of real wackos of the OU - how they "live", how they behave, what
> they had lost. It's quite probable he'll come to his senses when he sees
> that.
Unless it ends up a little like showing cancerous lungs to smokers, or fat
people to, well, fat people. Lots of apathy, lots of disinterest and a
reaction of 'But it won't happen to *me*. I'm *different*. I have willpower,
the others are just schmoes.'
... but this does remind me of the great descriptions in PoMoM of how the
'mancers lose their jobs, live in grubby apartments, have few friends. Magic
doesn't have such rewards for them. It's such a refreshingly different
approach to 'power' in game settings.
(must buy 'Sorceror')
> "To attract good fortune, spend a new coin on an old friend, share an old
> pleasure with a new friend, and lift up the heart of a true friend by
> writing his name on the wings of a dragon."
> -
> Chinese Proverb
This is great. =)
Joe.
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the universe." - The Drummer, Planetary.
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From: "Joe Murphy \(Broin\)" <broin at notzen.com>
To: <ua at lists.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: [UA] Final Countdown
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:28:27 +0100
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> From: ua-admin at lists.uchicago.edu [mailto:ua-admin at lists.uchicago.edu]On
> Behalf Of Andrew
> Sent: 06 June 2001 19:12
> To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
> Subject: Re: [UA] Final Countdown
>
>
> Wednesday, June 06, 2001, 7:15:01 PM, Andrew wrote:
>
> SA> I'm trying to find archetypes that could plausibly be ascending in our
> SA> present society. One of the final three may be Alex Abel
> depending on how
> SA> things work out. Hard to say.
>
> One that occurs is the "Transhumanist", which would be amusing, as
> their whole focus is on the coming ascendancy. They're largely people
> who believe that technology is heading for the singularity
[snip]
A bit like those Cybermancers someone wrote up. But less Hellraisery.
You could have a lot of corporate archetypes. I'd imagine reading some
Dilbert would help. The Clueless Manager. The Faceless Bureaucrat?
Joe.
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the electric UFO gods transphase in from
Dimension 10 to appoint me manager of
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Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 19:31:37 +0100
From: "Gethyn Edwards" <gethyn_edwards at wragge.com>
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Subject: [UA] Re:UA digest, Vol 1 #693 - 2 msgs (Hello)
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Hello
I'm currently on holiday.
I'll be back on Tuesday 12th June.
Please get in touch with Simon Davis (4122) or Hazel Healy (4088) if the matter you need to contact me about can't wait until then.
Many thanks
Gethyn
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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:18:44 +0100
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> From: ua-admin at lists.uchicago.edu [mailto:ua-admin at lists.uchicago.edu]On
> Behalf Of Gethyn Edwards
> Sent: 06 June 2001 19:12
> To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
> Subject: [UA] Re:UA digest, Vol 1 #690 - 22 msgs (Hello)
>
[snip]
> Hello
>
> I'm currently on holiday.
>
> I'll be back on Tuesday 12th June.
>
> Please get in touch with Simon Davis (4122) or Hazel Healy (4088)
> if the matter you need to contact me about can't wait until then.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Gethyn
[snipped oodles]
I'm guessing we can expect half a dozen autoresponses like this before our
friend Gethyn gets back from holiday? Gah.
I say we talk about him behind his back for a week. :)
That Gethyn, eh? I never did like him. Always lurking around with that
peculiar-smelling shirt of his.
Joe.
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"You'll regret being so damn abusive when
the electric UFO gods transphase in from
Dimension 10 to appoint me manager of
the universe." - The Drummer, Planetary.
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Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 19:23:28 +0100
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Hello
I'm currently on holiday.
I'll be back on Tuesday 12th June.
Please get in touch with Simon Davis (4122) or Hazel Healy (4088) if the matter you need to contact me about can't wait until then.
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Gethyn
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Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 19:21:26 +0100
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Hello
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I'll be back on Tuesday 12th June.
Please get in touch with Simon Davis (4122) or Hazel Healy (4088) if the matter you need to contact me about can't wait until then.
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Gethyn
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:27:23 +0100
From: Brian Nisbet <lir at lspace.org>
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: [UA] What Do You Beleive?
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 12:23:30PM -0700, Royal Minister of Stuff wrote:
> This brings up a question which had just been eating
> at me. I know there's a couple of pagans on this list
> and there's certainly one or two Catholics. I,
> myself, am a snarling athiest (although, about 2am in
> the morning I have a nasty tendency to Really
> Beleive.) What religions do we have represented in
> this mailing list?
Well, me personally I'm Christian, non-denominational and non-organised.
I believe in one God, but I'm quite happy to believe that He's appeared in
any number of forms and guises down through the years and I have
absolutely no intention of telling anyone they're wrong or that their
belief set is any less valid than mine, as long as they don't try and tell
me that I'm wrong.
Very simple.
B.
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Message: 2
From: sneadj at mindspring.com
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 02:45:49 -0700
Subject: RE: [UA] What Do You Beleive?
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
> > I know there's a couple of pagans on this list and there's
> > certainly one or two Catholics. I, myself, am a snarling athiest (although,
> > about 2am in the morning I have a nasty tendency to Really Beleive.) >
> What religions do we have represented in this mailing list?
I'm a Wiccan priest who has drifted away from Wicca a bit and am
now a somewhat eclectic pagan magician.
-John Snead sneadj at mindspring.com
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:57:36 +0100
From: "James McGraw" <pdytjem at nottingham.ac.uk>
To: <ua at lists.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: [UA] What Do You Beleive?
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
>>> yokeltania at yahoo.com 06/05/01 08:23pm >>>
> What religions do we have represented in
>this mailing list?
Well, my mother is a pretty much lapsed Catholic, although she still puts up a pretence of being offended by Dave Allen, but I was brought up more or less atheistically, apart from school assemblies and the fact that I went to a Church of England school, so I suppose I'm an agnostic existentialist second-generation-lapsed Catholic (I don't go to church, but the church I don't go to is definitely Catholic).
james the cat
"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a
really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually
change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They
really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists
are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I
cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or
religion."
-- Carl Sagan, 1987 CSICOP keynote address
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Message: 4
From: "Eric" <eric at pinder.net>
To: <ua at lists.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: [UA] What Do You Beleive?
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 06:20:46 -0400
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> This brings up a question which had just been eating
> at me. I know there's a couple of pagans on this list
> and there's certainly one or two Catholics. I,
> myself, am a snarling athiest (although, about 2am in
> the morning I have a nasty tendency to Really
> Beleive.) What religions do we have represented in
> this mailing list?
I was raised a Presbyterian, drifted away in my teen years, and drifted
back nine years ago when I started dating my now wife. It's a pretty good
religion as they go. You get to drink and smoke and have heterosexual sex
even before marriage. Women get to be ministers and ministers get to marry
people of the opposite sex. In the sixties it was decided it was okay for
divorced people to get married again, and right now we're trying to decide
if it is officially okay for gays to have sex. My guess that by the end of
this decade it will be; all the votes keep coming out 51% to 49% against and
many measures have been settled by the vote of a single delegate.
Not that much of that comes up on a week to week basis. The business
and politics of our church is mainly who can we help and how. How much
money to send overseas, how much to spend in the local community, how much
to spend on ourselves. When you are church full of middle class white
people located in a middle class white neighborhood, you have to go looking
for people who need your help. And of course once you start looking, the
list gets long in a hurry.
The thing I like best about our church (and the churches of my
experience have this in common) is how it cares for its sick and elderly
members. Even something mundane like having a kid, people show up on your
doorstep with food and clothes and toys. When one of the member's kids came
down with leukemia, other government workers in the church transferred their
leave to his mom so she could spend more time with him. And so on. In a
community where we didn't know the names of our neighbors three doors down,
it was and is nice to be a part of a place where people care about your well
being simply because you care about theirs.
-- Eric
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 05:13:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Price <nini_pad at yahoo.com>
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Subject: [UA] (no subject)
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Nick Wedig wrote:
>Michael Price wrote:
>> Here is the complete table of probabilities for
>>obsession skills, worked it out with StarOffice.
<snip lots of numbers>
>> Hope that help[ed].
>Could you explain how to read these numbers? I can't
>seem to figure
>out which is what. Which is the skill, which is the
>effective skill
>after obsession, which is the gain, etc?
The asteristics seperate the columns of figures
relating to each other. The first column is the skill
level and the second column (between the asteristics)
is the probability with flipflops. I didn't add in
the gain since I had to type it manually and I figure
even liberal arts major can add/subtract.
e.g. 03 06*13 23*23 38*33 51*43 63*
This means that at 3% obsession skill the probability
is 6%, 13% = probability 23% etc.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 05:39:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Price <nini_pad at yahoo.com>
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Subject: [UA] (no subject)
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Gaston Phillips wrote:
>>>> I imagine Entropomancers, who are constantly
risking their lives to get the rush/thrill of a charge
would consider Cliomancers to be a bunch of soft-core
sissies.<<<
>
> Ultimately I think that this is irrelevant. What do
>cliomancers care
>what a
> bunch of bodybags think? The cliomancers possibly >
>made them think that.
>
> The important issue (that I was alluding to with the
>sugar thing) is not how you get the charge, but how
>big a charge you get. Some people need really
> hard or dangerous activity to charge up; some people
> can get charges from
> something less dangerous, less illegal, or less
>expensive.
> Both get charges. Sure, the bodybag might scoff at
>the "soft" cobweb farmer,
> but ultimately who wins?
The point is not who wins but how people relate to
each other. The OU is full of rivalries, distrust,
misinformation, rumours, misunderstandings and
prejudice. It is a natural breeding ground for
generalisations like "Plutomancers are manipulative
pricks.", "Cleomancers are wimps.", "Thantomancers
need psychiatric help" (this one is true). These
attitudes determine to some extent how people treat
each other. Would you trust a Cleomancer to protect
your child when everyone knows they're wimps? You
know you can't trust an amormancer and who lends their
car to an entropomancer? Probably another
entropomancer it's worth a minor charge.
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Message: 7
Date: 6 Jun 2001 12:51:58 -0000
From: "Nick Wedig" <mrteapot at disinfo.net>
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: [UA] What Do You Beleive?
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
>Raised Catholic (I know...how unusual in Ireland.) Fairly faithful up until
>my first year in college, when I saw something which ruined my ability to>
take a lot of organised religion seriously.
>
>Toy Story.
My falling away from Catholicism came from Winnie the pooh. Go figure.
Mr. Teapot
living under the name of "Saunders"
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:56:17 -0500
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
From: Greg Stolze <holycrow at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [UA] What Do You Beleive?
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
>At 18:14 05/06/01 -0400, Greg wrote:
>>If it matters, I'm a Catholic who sits on the church council for a small
>>Lutheran congregation. Funny, that.
>
>Why? If you don't mind answering.
Why what? Why's it funny? Because of all the Lutherans who attend, they
invited one of the Catholics (though there are a fair number) onto the
council. Why do I go to a Lutheran service instead of Catholic? My wife's
Lutheran and the congregation seemed nicer.
-G.
If the reinstatement of capital punishment was clearly doing nothing to
reduce the number of murders in those states permitting it, it certainly
appeared to be cutting down on the number of confessions.
-Dr. Douglas Ubelaker
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 08:06:20 -0500
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
From: Greg Stolze <holycrow at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [UA] Re: Horror Actors
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
> a system so insightful and accurate
>that it shatters the glass darkly and reveals the universe--the
>mind of God--in all of its piercing beauty and overarching
>purity of perfection.
Really? So you don't think the initiative system is a bit klugy?
-G.
In its thirteenth season, "COPS" will continue to bring viewers squalid
scenes of bored policemen harassing dispirited, shirtless losers -- but
this time with a laugh track!
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Message: 10
Date: 6 Jun 2001 13:05:47 -0000
From: "Nick Wedig" <mrteapot at disinfo.net>
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re:[UA] (no subject)
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
>>> Hope that help[ed].
>
>>Could you explain how to read these numbers? I can't
>>seem to figure
>>out which is what. Which is the skill, which is the
>>effective skill
>>after obsession, which is the gain, etc?
> The asteristics seperate the columns of figures
>relating to each other. The first column is the skill
>level and the second column (between the asteristics)
>is the probability with flipflops. I didn't add in
>the gain since I had to type it manually and I figure
>even liberal arts major can add/subtract.
>e.g. 03 06*13 23*23 38*33 51*43 63*
>This means that at 3% obsession skill the probability
>is 6%, 13% = probability 23% etc.
The real problem was that my mind wished to place breaks at the spaces, not the *s.
On a related note, did anyone try to figure out the losses involved if someone else has the option of flip-flopping your roll (ie, to make your roll fail or be worse)? If I recall, the numbers closely parellel the gain of flip-flopping, but actual numbers could be good.
Mr. Teapot
liberal arts major who can't add or subtract, but can provide three separate proofs of the Pythagorean theorem and a complex discussion of Euclidean vs. no-Euclidean geometry
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 14:30:21 +0100
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
From: John Scott <wild at park.net>
Subject: Re: [UA] What Do You Beleive?
<Springmail.105.991779288.0.41952200 at www.springmail.com>
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
At 07:56 06/06/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >At 18:14 05/06/01 -0400, Greg wrote:
> >>If it matters, I'm a Catholic who sits on the church council for a small
> >>Lutheran congregation. Funny, that.
> >
> >Why? If you don't mind answering.
>
>Why what? Why's it funny? Because of all the Lutherans who attend, they
>invited one of the Catholics (though there are a fair number) onto the
>council. Why do I go to a Lutheran service instead of Catholic? My wife's
>Lutheran and the congregation seemed nicer.
Fair enough - I just wondered how you'd got into the position of being invited.
Cheers
John
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Message: 12
From: zenith at evilkitten.org
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 08:38:57 -0500 (EST)
To: <ua at lists.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: [UA] What Do You Beleive?
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
> This brings up a question which had just been eating
> at me. I know there's a couple of pagans on this list
> and there's certainly one or two Catholics. I,
> myself, am a snarling athiest (although, about 2am in
> the morning I have a nasty tendency to Really
> Beleive.) What religions do we have represented in
> this mailing list?
I'm technically a Catholic. I was married Catholic. I was raised around
screaming, ashes and hair shirt Polish Catholics. I have a large
consecrated statue of Mary sitting on my TV entertainment center. My
cats dig her.
However, my last name (or at least the first half of it) is a Jewish last
name that certainly comes from a very old and definite Jewish family.
How this works is left as an exercise to the reader.
I was, at one time, an agnostic. And then I bothered to take, oh, about
30 credits of Philosophy, complete with a year of Chinese Philosophy
(post-Han) and a bit of Theology here or there. This caused me
to believe that the Chinese had it all Sorted Out, as long as the Chinese
in question weren't S'ung Dynasty Neo-Confucianists. This was, of course,
until I spent time at a Buddhist temple, and decided they Didn't Have It
All Sorted Out, Really and promtly gave up.
And then, of course, was the year of Arabic and Near Eastern Studies. I
didn't like the food. I enjoyed reading the Qur'an in Arabic, and it
definitely, well, hums. But it's a shoe that does not fit.
Mix in a combination of intense studying of dead cultures, a lifetime of
Catholic guilt and Jewish moral superiority, a lack of conviction, the
Philosophy of Space Time, and a touch of advanced calculus, and generally,
at the end, you just get... someone who can spew the facts and recite the
Bible in the Language of Your Choice on a dime, but not someone who spends
much time sitting in a pew feeling bad about the dead guy up front.
I believe absolutely in God. I believe in a God who thinks it is funny to
sew PI into the fabric of the universe, and watch us try to figure it out.
I believe in a God who hung items in space we can never reach, and enjoys
watching us guess what is up with them. For every new find, there are
5,000 new mysteries. I often suspect existance is one big joke, and the
joke is on us.
I don't conform to any Dogma. Who has time?
**
Emily K. Dresner-Thornber
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 08:30:18 -0600
From: Stuart Anderson <stuartanderson at qwest.net>
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: [UA] Re: Horror Actors
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Greg Stolze wrote:
> > a system so insightful and accurate
> >that it shatters the glass darkly and reveals the universe--the
> >mind of God--in all of its piercing beauty and overarching
> >purity of perfection.
>
> Really? So you don't think the initiative system is a bit klugy?
>
> -G.
Fishing for affirmation like that is a sign of *pride,* boy.
You blaspheme! You are merely a conduit.
Trust only in the Word.
See--I could be a really good corrupt and blasphemous
Southern Baptist, if that's what I was shooting for ;-)
--Stu
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Message: 14
From: "Infamous36" <theinfamous36 at ivebeenframed.com>
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 09:32:28 -0500
Subject: [UA] Religion
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
As for the question about different religions in the list.
I'm supposed to be Catholic, but my beliefs are ranged to and past the
borders of Catholic beliefs, I believe in Reincarnation, and various other
philosophies about Heaven and Hell that this particular religion would
proove faulible.(hope i spelled that right.)
Just curious anyone happen to catch my NG question?
And if so Any ideas?
Mr.Tynes??/?
Chance
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 08:40:56 -0600
From: Stuart Anderson <stuartanderson at qwest.net>
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: [UA] Kinder, gentler necromancy
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Cassady Toles wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 22:30:36 -0600, ua at lists.uchicago.edu wrote:
> Tyler Durdin was trying it, collecting the driver's licenses and
> threatening to kill clerks that didn't pursue their dreams.
>
> I still say that if Tyler Durdin is a UA character, he's an annhilomancer.
> Destroying stuff, and his own life to "hit rock bottom" so he could see the
> truth...
Yeah--I don't disagree with that, I was just looking for examples. I think the
tricky part is having folks accept and understand that death is waiting for them,
without actually foisting it upon them, which I guess is where Durdin ultimately
goes with it. I think that would be breaking taboo for a kinder, gentler necromancy,
though. Like I said, I can sort of recognize that it's there, I just can't quite put
it together satisfactorily.
--Stu
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:34:56 +0100
From: Andrew <Andrew at Ducker.org.uk>
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Subject: [UA] Religion
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Just joined the list as the religion post was added, seems like as
good a way to introduce myself as any.
I'd go for agnostic, leaning towards atheist. I definitely don't
_know_ if there's a god, and it doesn't seem very likely to me.
Do people that are religious find that it affects the kind of content
they are happy to put into games to a great extent?
Andy D
____
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 08:57:54 -0600
From: Stuart Anderson <stuartanderson at qwest.net>
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: [UA] Religion
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Andrew wrote:
> Do people that are religious find that it affects the kind of content
> they are happy to put into games to a great extent?
>
> Andy D
Only to the extent that I'm probably even more heinous and blasphemous
than I would be otherwise, simply to see if my beliefs withstand my own
best attempts to challenge them.
--Stu
oh--Hi, and welcome to the list!
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:56:55 +0100
From: Andrew <Andrew at Ducker.org.uk>
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re[2]: [UA] Religion
<11023626573.20010606153456 at Ducker.org.uk> <3B1E44F2.ED290BE1 at qwest.net>
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Wednesday, June 06, 2001, 3:57:54 PM, Stuart wrote:
SA> Andrew wrote:
>> Do people that are religious find that it affects the kind of content
>> they are happy to put into games to a great extent?
>>
>> Andy D
SA> Only to the extent that I'm probably even more heinous and blasphemous
SA> than I would be otherwise, simply to see if my beliefs withstand my own
SA> best attempts to challenge them.
Interesting. I'd have thought that straight on attack against beliefs
would tend to solidify them rather than causing problems for them. If
you attack people it tends to cause them to feel that somehow they
must be right, or you wouldn't be attacking them. To choose a
contentious example, killing a member of the IRA merely causes two
more people to take offence and join up. In the same way, offending
someones religion merely causes them to become defensive about it and
cling more strongly.
The same should also be seen in the obsessed and mad, of course -
brining us vaguely back in the direction of On Topic. :->
Indeed, having known someone who suffered from delusions, it did no
good to attack their delusions and try to disprove them head on, they
defended them stridently and merely labelled the person attackingthem
as someone not to be listened to.
How would one try and persuade a member of the Occult Underground out
of their obsession? Especially as they would tend to have proof that
their obsession worked...
SA> oh--Hi, and welcome to the list!
Thanks!
Andy D
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Message: 19
Date: 6 Jun 2001 15:39:14 -0000
From: "Nick Wedig" <mrteapot at disinfo.net>
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re:Re[2]: [UA] Religion
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
>SA> Only to the extent that I'm probably even more heinous and blasphemous
>SA> than I would be otherwise, simply to see if my beliefs withstand my own
>SA> best attempts to challenge them.
>
>Interesting. I'd have thought that straight on attack against beliefs
>would tend to solidify them rather than causing problems for them.
I guess it depends on the attack. If it's along the lines "Dude, your religion sucks" then it will just make them defensive. Somewhat more indirect approaches, such as satire and/or logical problems (eg, dealing with the problem of evil in the game*) might raise more doubt than defenses.
>How would one try and persuade a member of the Occult Underground out
>of their obsession? Especially as they would tend to have proof that
>their obsession worked...
It's pretty difficult to bring normal obsessed people out of their obsessions, much less those who can wield magick. I'd imagine similar tactics, though, for example, showing the dipsomncer the harm that his drinking is causing himself and his family, etc.
*Robin Laws's OTE novel Pierced Heart does a good job showing how to raise religious and philosophical questions in roleplaying games. If I were to run In Nomine or similar it'd involve lots of philosophical problems, perhaps culminating in the angel characters becoming agnostic or atheist and wiping themselves from existence.
Mr. Teapot
agnostic angel
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Message: 20
Reply-To: "Radoslaw Galus" <grey_man at priv.onet.pl>
From: "Radoslaw Galus" <grey_man at priv.onet.pl>
To: <ua at lists.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re[3]: [UA] Religion
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:15:17 +0200
charset="iso-8859-1"
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
From: Andrew <Andrew at Ducker.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:56 PM
> The same should also be seen in the obsessed and mad, of course -
> brining us vaguely back in the direction of On Topic. :->
> Indeed, having known someone who suffered from delusions, it did no
> good to attack their delusions and try to disprove them head on, they
> defended them stridently and merely labelled the person attackingthem
> as someone not to be listened to.
> How would one try and persuade a member of the Occult Underground out
> of their obsession? Especially as they would tend to have proof that
> their obsession worked...
Minor spoiler for Fight Club (is there anyone who hasn't seen it yet???)
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I was watching Fight Club the other night (really liked it) and somewhere
half way through the film I thought to myself - "if this guy knew what
would happen, that he'd lose everything and go through all that crazy shit,
he would have kicked that Tyler guy in the balls and ran" (of course I
didn't realise yet that they were one person).
So if it's a gradual descent into madness, one step at a time and the
adept/avatar isn't far along the way it should be possible to make him snap
out of it by showing him what awaits him at the end of his journey. Don't
talk, don't try to persuade him - it will only make matters worse. Show him
a couple of real wackos of the OU - how they "live", how they behave, what
they had lost. It's quite probable he'll come to his senses when he sees
that.
As for the the wackos themselves - the hard-core members of OU, I don't
think there's a way back for them.
- RG
"To attract good fortune, spend a new coin on an old friend, share an old
pleasure with a new friend, and lift up the heart of a true friend by
writing his name on the wings of a dragon."
- Chinese Proverb
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:59:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cassady Toles <Con_Job at excite.com>
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: [UA] What Do You Beleive?
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001 08:38:57 -0500 (EST), ua at lists.uchicago.edu wrote:
For an interesting and very UA thought about organized religion and
christianity as practiced in the us check out www.christianitymeme.org
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From: "Shultz, Andrew" <Andrew.Shultz at Winwin.com>
To: "'ua at lists.uchicago.edu'" <ua at lists.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:15:01 -0400
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Subject: [UA] Final Countdown
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I've started the final countdown to the end of the world in my game and I
need to figure out what the last few ascensions are going to be (there's
three left, not counting the return of the Comte).
The last two have been the Tree-Hugger (an environmentalist who puts animals
and plants before people, always), the Multitasker, and the Paranoid (the
conspiracy-theorist guy).
I'm trying to find archetypes that could plausibly be ascending in our
present society. One of the final three may be Alex Abel depending on how
things work out. Hard to say.
-andy
http://web.mit.edu/~ashultz/Public/UA
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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:11:33 +0100
From: Andrew <Andrew at Ducker.org.uk>
To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: [UA] Final Countdown
Reply-To: ua at lists.uchicago.edu
Wednesday, June 06, 2001, 7:15:01 PM, Andrew wrote:
SA> I'm trying to find archetypes that could plausibly be ascending in our
SA> present society. One of the final three may be Alex Abel depending on how
SA> things work out. Hard to say.
One that occurs is the "Transhumanist", which would be amusing, as
their whole focus is on the coming ascendancy. They're largely people
who believe that technology is heading for the singularity
(http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/vinge/misc/singularity.html) and
that mankind will ascend at that point. It's a nice mix of the very
modern (technology will save us and the world is getting better) and
the very old (the end is nigh!).
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