Epideromancy "feminine"? (was Re: [UA] UA unintenionally sexist? (LONG!))

[med12 at cornell.edu]

Patrick--

I know that people in the lgbt community often use this word. My 
objection was rooted in the idea that using this word reinforces binaries 
that aren't necessarily necessary in gay culture. The whole butch/femme 
idea really pisses some people off, because they feel like it mimics 
straight culture and reinforces the dominance/submission hierarchies 
found within.

--Mike

p.s. The person in question was using it to describe a gay male and by
saying that he was "butch" actually wasn't that this guy was overly
masculine, but that he wasn't "flamey." 

p.p.s. Is UA homophobic? ;)

On Sat, 2 Sep 2000, Patrick O'Duffy wrote:

> med12 at cornell.edu wrote:

> > Just for the record: I don't really believe in the ideas of masucline and
> > feminine. I took someone to task last night for calling a person
> > "butch"--and after a long question & answer process was able to "unpack"
> > that into meaning "they have a deep voice."
> 
> See, I interact a fair bit with the gay and lesbian community.  'Butch' is a
> very legitimate word there - although the women it applies to rarely have deep
> voices...
> 
> --
> Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia
> 
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