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    <p>Said,</p>
    <p> Thank you for the additional clarification; the layers are not
      mirrored by TRNBuild/Type56. Define the construction using the
      wall manager and then make sure that the front/back is set in one
      of the two zones.</p>
    <p>kind regards,</p>
    <p> David</p>
    <p><br>
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    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/03/2022 11:54, Said LAMGHARI
      wrote:<br>
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        Dear David;
        <div>The picture that I included it is what I'm concerned might
          be happening.</div>
        <div>in fact the building has two parts. the first one is for
          adjacent area and other it is intended for a ground floor. at
          the moment I work adjacent area.  </div>
        Thank you for the precious advice.<br>
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        Best.</div>
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        Said LAMGHARI</div>
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          face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>De :</b> David
          BRADLEY <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com"><d.bradley@tess-inc.com></a><br>
          <b>Envoyé :</b> jeudi 2 juin 2022 20:15<br>
          <b>À :</b> Said LAMGHARI <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:said.lamghari@edu.uca.ma"><said.lamghari@edu.uca.ma></a>;
          TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org"><trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org></a><br>
          <b>Objet :</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] Underfloor heating</font>
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        <p>Said,</p>
        <p> I am not sure I understand whether you are trying to create
          a construction that has 2 layers of heating tubes or whether
          you are trying to avoid creating such a construction. Can you
          please clarify whether the picture that you included is what
          you want to model or if it is what you are concerned might be
          happening?</p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p> In general, an ADJACENT wall (or floor or ceiling) defined
          in TRNBuild does not have any mirroring in it. You create the
          layers of the wall however you wish and then you go to one of
          the two zones to which the wall is adjacent and you set
          whether that zone contains the front or the back of the wall.
          So if the construction you create is made up of the layers:
          sol, dale, tubes, chape, parquet and you define that
          construction to be ADJACENT (between two zones) then one of
          the zones will have the "sol" face and the other zone will
          have the "parquet" face in it. <br>
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        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p> If, on the other hand, you want to have a construction that
          has two active layers in it you'll need to define something
          called a "direct contact" zone in between them. This is a kind
          of very low volume virtual airnode that sits between two
          BOUNDARY constructions. Defining one can be confusing so if
          the picture below represents what you want, please let me know
          and I'll try to explain how to do it.</p>
        <p><br>
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        <p> Two side notes: <br>
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        <p>1. the picture you sent seems like it is intended for a
          ground floor rather than for an adjacent floor (given the
          compacted soil layer). If that is indeed the case then you'll
          want to define the construction as a BOUNDARY rather than as
          ADJACENT.</p>
        <p>2. you're going to need to sandwich the tubing layer between
          two screed (chape) layers. When you are defining the
          construction enter the first screed layer as having half of
          the actual layer's thickness. Next add the active layer and a
          second screed layer will be added below it. You can move the
          tubing layer up and down in the screed layer by adjusting the
          thickensses of the two adjoining layers but you can't put the
          tubing at the very bottom of the screed layer as it is
          pictured in your drawing.</p>
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        <p>kind regards,</p>
        <p> David</p>
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        <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 06/01/2022 14:48, Said
          LAMGHARI wrote:<br>
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            Dear <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;
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              display:inline!important">David;<br>
              The creation of a floor or wall is done from the inside to
              the outside.
              <div>When I change the construction type of two adjacency
                room.</div>
              <div>I notice that it applies to the wall or the ceiling
                of the other room. I noticed that it is the mirror
                effect on the adjacency walls.</div>
              The attached figure shows my idea that I have on the floor
              study. please confirm this to me,  if I m right or not.<br>
              Best.<br>
              Said LAMGHARI</span></div>
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              face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>De :</b>
              David BRADLEY
              <a class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com"
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              <b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 1 juin 2022 15:23<br>
              <b>À :</b> TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org <a
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                href="mailto:trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org"
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                <trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org></a><br>
              <b>Cc :</b> Said LAMGHARI <a
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                <said.lamghari@edu.uca.ma></a><br>
              <b>Objet :</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] Underfloor heating</font>
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            <p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">Said,</p>
            <p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px"> Trnsys tries
              to mimic what would happen in a real world situation; if
              you put an active layer into a floor that is also the
              ceiling of another zone and put hot water through it then
              the floor/ceiling will heat both the zone above and the
              zone below. To prevent that from happening, you can put
              insulation on the side that you do not want to be heated.</p>
            <p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">kind regards,</p>
            <p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px"> David</p>
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            <div class="x_x_moz-cite-prefix">On 06/01/2022 04:35, Said
              LAMGHARI via TRNSYS-users wrote:<br>
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                Dear All,
                <div>I have a question about underfloor heating.</div>
                <div>Between the floor and the ceiling of two adjacent
                  rooms (ADJ_ceiling) . Do you have any idea about
                  underfloor heating. since we will have the mirror
                  effect on this floor so we will have two active
                  layers..! or not!</div>
                <div>Best,</div>
                Said LAMGHARI<br>
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3 North Pinckney Street - suite 202
Madison, WI  53703 USA

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David BRADLEY
Principal
Thermal Energy System Specialists, LLC
3 North Pinckney Street - suite 202
Madison, WI  53703 USA

P:+1.608.274.2577
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David BRADLEY
Principal
Thermal Energy System Specialists, LLC
3 North Pinckney Street - suite 202
Madison, WI  53703 USA

P:+1.608.274.2577
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