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<p>Said,</p>
<p> Thank you for the additional clarification; the layers are not
mirrored by TRNBuild/Type56. Define the construction using the
wall manager and then make sure that the front/back is set in one
of the two zones.</p>
<p>kind regards,</p>
<p> David</p>
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Dear David;
<div>The picture that I included it is what I'm concerned might
be happening.</div>
<div>in fact the building has two parts. the first one is for
adjacent area and other it is intended for a ground floor. at
the moment I work adjacent area. </div>
Thank you for the precious advice.<br>
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Best.</div>
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Said LAMGHARI</div>
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BRADLEY <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com"><d.bradley@tess-inc.com></a><br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> jeudi 2 juin 2022 20:15<br>
<b>À :</b> Said LAMGHARI <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:said.lamghari@edu.uca.ma"><said.lamghari@edu.uca.ma></a>;
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<p>Said,</p>
<p> I am not sure I understand whether you are trying to create
a construction that has 2 layers of heating tubes or whether
you are trying to avoid creating such a construction. Can you
please clarify whether the picture that you included is what
you want to model or if it is what you are concerned might be
happening?</p>
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<p> In general, an ADJACENT wall (or floor or ceiling) defined
in TRNBuild does not have any mirroring in it. You create the
layers of the wall however you wish and then you go to one of
the two zones to which the wall is adjacent and you set
whether that zone contains the front or the back of the wall.
So if the construction you create is made up of the layers:
sol, dale, tubes, chape, parquet and you define that
construction to be ADJACENT (between two zones) then one of
the zones will have the "sol" face and the other zone will
have the "parquet" face in it. <br>
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<p> If, on the other hand, you want to have a construction that
has two active layers in it you'll need to define something
called a "direct contact" zone in between them. This is a kind
of very low volume virtual airnode that sits between two
BOUNDARY constructions. Defining one can be confusing so if
the picture below represents what you want, please let me know
and I'll try to explain how to do it.</p>
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<p> Two side notes: <br>
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<p><br>
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<p>1. the picture you sent seems like it is intended for a
ground floor rather than for an adjacent floor (given the
compacted soil layer). If that is indeed the case then you'll
want to define the construction as a BOUNDARY rather than as
ADJACENT.</p>
<p>2. you're going to need to sandwich the tubing layer between
two screed (chape) layers. When you are defining the
construction enter the first screed layer as having half of
the actual layer's thickness. Next add the active layer and a
second screed layer will be added below it. You can move the
tubing layer up and down in the screed layer by adjusting the
thickensses of the two adjoining layers but you can't put the
tubing at the very bottom of the screed layer as it is
pictured in your drawing.</p>
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<p>kind regards,</p>
<p> David</p>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 06/01/2022 14:48, Said
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Dear <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;
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display:inline!important">David;<br>
The creation of a floor or wall is done from the inside to
the outside.
<div>When I change the construction type of two adjacency
room.</div>
<div>I notice that it applies to the wall or the ceiling
of the other room. I noticed that it is the mirror
effect on the adjacency walls.</div>
The attached figure shows my idea that I have on the floor
study. please confirm this to me, if I m right or not.<br>
Best.<br>
Said LAMGHARI</span></div>
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<p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">Said,</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px"> Trnsys tries
to mimic what would happen in a real world situation; if
you put an active layer into a floor that is also the
ceiling of another zone and put hot water through it then
the floor/ceiling will heat both the zone above and the
zone below. To prevent that from happening, you can put
insulation on the side that you do not want to be heated.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">kind regards,</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px"> David</p>
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<div class="x_x_moz-cite-prefix">On 06/01/2022 04:35, Said
LAMGHARI via TRNSYS-users wrote:<br>
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Dear All,
<div>I have a question about underfloor heating.</div>
<div>Between the floor and the ceiling of two adjacent
rooms (ADJ_ceiling) . Do you have any idea about
underfloor heating. since we will have the mirror
effect on this floor so we will have two active
layers..! or not!</div>
<div>Best,</div>
Said LAMGHARI<br>
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