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<p>Wirich,</p>
<p> Unfortunately Type16 can't convert from an arbitrary angle back
to horizontal then do its calculations. I remember seeing (perhaps
even using) such a component a few thousand years ago but would
not know where to put my hands on it again.</p>
<p> I would think that with such a slight slope as 10° you could use
sines and cosines to determine what the global on the horizontal
actually was before feeding it to Type16.</p>
<p>best,</p>
<p> David</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/17/2021 08:38, Freppel, Wirich
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hello David, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">That is an
excellent idea !<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I did not
exactly measure horizontal radiation since the “horizontal”
pyranometer was placed on the roof, which is 10° tilted. I
guess I could try first by considering the roof as
horizontal since 10° is not that much. I could also estimate
the horizontal radiation by calculation, or finally, does
the type 16 can do this job ? If I understand, Type 16 can
go from horizontal to any tilt but not the other way around,
does it ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks for your
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style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" lang="FR"> David
BRADLEY <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com"><d.bradley@tess-inc.com></a>
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<b>Envoyé :</b> jeudi 17 juin 2021 15:21<br>
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<b>Cc :</b> Freppel, Wirich
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<b>Objet :</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] From global solar
radiation to direct and diffuse SR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Wirich,<span
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<p> Did you also by chance measure global on the horizontal? If
so then what I would suggest you do is to define your same
vertical surfaces in Type16 and then run your measured global
horizontal through it. Type16 will give you an estimate of how
the global breaks up into beam and diffuse not only for the
horizontal but also for the vertical surfaces. I would then
compute the ratios of beam to global and diffuse to global
that Type16 gives you for each surface and then use those
ratios multiplied by your actual measurements to come up with
the components that Type56 wants. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p> david<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I measured global solar radiation on
vertical surfaces (one for each orientation) using a
pyranometer. I would like to use these data on my building
model instead of using “internal calculation”.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Type 56 asks for direct and diffuse solar
radiation arriving on the surface. How can I manage the data
to send the appropriate values to Type 56 ?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance for your help<o:p></o:p></p>
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