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<p><span lang="EN-CA">Michaël</span> and Marion,</p>
<p> Might it be possible for that diagram to work its way (with a
nice big reference to the generosity of its author of course!!)
into the Type56 manual? We get this question a lot on the
hotlines.</p>
<p>db<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/12/2021 05:11, hotline via
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Michaël</span>,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">your overview explains
the balance of an external opaque surface very well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The only “missing”
feature is the surface gain on the “outside face”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">This gain is included in
QABSO (NTYPE 22 ). Therefore, QABSO isn’t “short wave
radiation” only if a surface gain on the “outside face” is
defined.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Marion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="mso-fareast-language:DE">Von:</span></b><span
style="mso-fareast-language:DE"> TRNSYS-users
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"><trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org></a>
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Michaël Kummert via TRNSYS-users<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 10. April 2021 19:04<br>
<b>An:</b> 'TRNSYS users mailing list at
OneBuilding.org'
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<b>Cc:</b> Michaël Kummert
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michael.kummert@gmail.com"><michael.kummert@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] FW: Net radiation
received on a specific internal surface - Type 56<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Kan,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">I struggled with those
Type 56 outputs recently and I came up with the attached
interpretation.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">I hope this helps, and I
hope someone from Transsolar will correct me if I
misinterpreted some outputs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Michaël Kummert<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Polytechnique Montréal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-CA" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-CA" lang="EN-US">
TRNSYS-users <<a
href="mailto:trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>K.R. Gunawardena via TRNSYS-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> April 9, 2021 10:44<br>
<b>To:</b> David BRADLEY <<a
href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>>;
TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org <<a
href="mailto:trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> K.R. Gunawardena <<a
href="mailto:krag2@cam.ac.uk" moz-do-not-send="true">krag2@cam.ac.uk</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] FW: Net radiation
received on a specific internal surface - Type 56<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB">Many
thanks David for your response and clarification!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB">QIBAB
and QIDAB would address shortwave absorption. What about the
longwave exchange?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB">I
am currently working under the following assumptions:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB">To
get the radiative gains for the internal/indoor wall’s
surface = radiative airnode internal gains received by
wall (assumed to be given by QRGAB) + solar gains through
zone windows received by walls ( assumed as QIBAB + QIDAB or
QSIAB as a total?) + longwave radiation exchange between
this wall and all other walls and windows (QABSILW? not sure
about this one).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB">Your
clarification is greatly appreciated!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-GB">Best regrads,<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-GB">Kan
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-US"> David
BRADLEY <<a href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> 09 April 2021 15:12<br>
<b>To:</b> TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org
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moz-do-not-send="true">trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> K.R. Gunawardena <<a
href="mailto:krag2@cam.ac.uk" moz-do-not-send="true">krag2@cam.ac.uk</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] FW: Net radiation
received on a specific internal surface - Type 56<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB">Kan,</span><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB"> I often use QIBAB and QIDAB (NTypes 80
and 81). Those are the quantities of radiation absorbed (as
opposed to incident) on the inside surface, however.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB"> Wall gains are specified as totals, not
per square metre.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB">kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB"> David<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">On 04/09/2021 05:15,
K.R. Gunawardena via TRNSYS-users wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-GB">Hi,</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-GB">I am trying to get clarification on a couple
of issues.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-GB">I am trying to couple a bespoke component
with Type 56 to calculate surface evaporative flux. I want
to input the net radiation received on a specific internal
surface as an input to this component. Which trnsys output
best represents the net radiation energy received by an
internal surface?
</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-GB">Second, when specifying a wall gain, do we
provide the value for the entire wall or m^2?</span><span
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-GB">Answers are greatly appreciated,</span><span
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-GB">Best regards,</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-GB">Kan </span>
<span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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