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    <p><span lang="EN-CA">Michaël</span> and Marion,</p>
    <p>  Might it be possible for that diagram to work its way (with a
      nice big reference to the generosity of its author of course!!)
      into the Type56 manual? We get this question a lot on the
      hotlines.</p>
    <p>db<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/12/2021 05:11, hotline via
      TRNSYS-users wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Michaël</span>,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">your overview  explains
            the balance of an external opaque surface very well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The only “missing”
            feature is the surface gain on the “outside face”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">This gain is included in
            QABSO (NTYPE 22 ). Therefore, QABSO isn’t  “short wave
            radiation” only if a surface gain on the “outside face” is
            defined.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Marion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#A6A6A6;mso-fareast-language:DE"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#A6A6A6;mso-fareast-language:DE"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#A6A6A6;mso-fareast-language:DE">Transsolar
              Energietechnik GmbH | Curiestrasse 2 | 70563 Stuttgart |
              Germany<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#A6A6A6;mso-fareast-language:DE">CEO:
              Matthias Schuler, Thomas Auer, Stefan Holst, Dieter
              Schnelle
              <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#A6A6A6;mso-fareast-language:DE">Registered
              at Amtsgericht Stuttgart HRB 23347 | USt-IdNr.: DE
              152272639<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:DE">Von:</span></b><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:DE"> TRNSYS-users
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"><trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org></a>
                <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Michaël Kummert via TRNSYS-users<br>
                <b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 10. April 2021 19:04<br>
                <b>An:</b> 'TRNSYS users mailing list at
                OneBuilding.org'
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org"><trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org></a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Michaël Kummert
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michael.kummert@gmail.com"><michael.kummert@gmail.com></a><br>
                <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] FW: Net radiation
                received on a specific internal surface - Type 56<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Kan,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">I struggled with those
            Type 56 outputs recently and I came up with the attached
            interpretation.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">I hope this helps, and I
            hope someone from Transsolar will correct me if I
            misinterpreted some outputs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Michaël Kummert<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Polytechnique Montréal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-CA" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:EN-CA" lang="EN-US">
                TRNSYS-users <<a
                  href="mailto:trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>K.R. Gunawardena via TRNSYS-users<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> April 9, 2021 10:44<br>
                <b>To:</b> David BRADLEY <<a
                  href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>>;
                TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org <<a
                  href="mailto:trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> K.R. Gunawardena <<a
                  href="mailto:krag2@cam.ac.uk" moz-do-not-send="true">krag2@cam.ac.uk</a>><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] FW: Net radiation
                received on a specific internal surface - Type 56<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB">Many
            thanks David for your response and clarification!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB">QIBAB
            and QIDAB would address shortwave absorption. What about the
            longwave exchange?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB">I
            am currently working under the following assumptions:
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB">To
            get the radiative gains for the internal/indoor wall’s
            surface  =  radiative airnode internal gains received by
            wall (assumed to be given by QRGAB)  +  solar gains through
            zone windows received by walls ( assumed as QIBAB + QIDAB or
            QSIAB as a total?)  +  longwave radiation exchange between
            this wall and all other walls and windows (QABSILW? not sure
            about this one).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB">Your
            clarification is greatly appreciated!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
              lang="EN-GB">Best regrads,<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
              lang="EN-GB">Kan
              <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
              lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-US"> David
                BRADLEY <<a href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>>
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> 09 April 2021 15:12<br>
                <b>To:</b> TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org
                <<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> K.R. Gunawardena <<a
                  href="mailto:krag2@cam.ac.uk" moz-do-not-send="true">krag2@cam.ac.uk</a>><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] FW: Net radiation
                received on a specific internal surface - Type 56<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-GB">Kan,</span><span
            style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-GB">  I often use QIBAB and QIDAB (NTypes 80
            and 81). Those are the quantities of radiation absorbed (as
            opposed to incident) on the inside surface, however.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-GB">  Wall gains are specified as totals, not
            per square metre.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-GB">kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-GB"> David<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">On 04/09/2021 05:15,
              K.R. Gunawardena via TRNSYS-users wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
              lang="EN-GB">Hi,</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
              lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
              lang="EN-GB">I am trying to get clarification on a couple
              of issues.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
              lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
              lang="EN-GB">I am trying to couple a bespoke component
              with Type 56 to calculate surface evaporative flux. I want
              to input the net radiation received on a specific internal
              surface as an input to this component. Which trnsys output
              best represents the net radiation energy received by an
              internal surface?
            </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
              lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
              lang="EN-GB">Second, when specifying a wall gain, do we
              provide the value for the entire wall or m^2?</span><span
              lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
              lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
              lang="EN-GB">Answers are greatly appreciated,</span><span
              lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
              lang="EN-GB">Best regards,</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
              lang="EN-GB">Kan </span>
            <span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <pre><span lang="EN-GB">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
          <pre><span lang="EN-GB">TRNSYS-users mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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        <pre><span lang="EN-GB">-- <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
        <pre><span lang="EN-GB">***************************<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
        <pre><span lang="EN-GB">David BRADLEY<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
        <pre><span lang="EN-GB">Principal<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
        <pre><span lang="EN-GB">Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
        <pre><span lang="EN-GB">3 North Pinckney Street - suite 202<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
        <pre><span lang="EN-GB">Madison, WI  53703 USA<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
        <pre><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
        <pre><span lang="EN-GB">P:+1.608.274.2577<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
        <pre><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
        <pre><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
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        <pre><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="http://www.trnsys.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.trnsys.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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David BRADLEY
Principal
Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
3 North Pinckney Street - suite 202
Madison, WI  53703 USA

P:+1.608.274.2577
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.tess-inc.com">http://www.tess-inc.com</a>
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