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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Wang Yang,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">the difference is that in “2D-model” you used the external calculation of radiation data and in “3D-model” you used the internal calculation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The option “Internal calculation of radiation data” reduces the required input data from the weather data component significantly. To use this feature only the solar zenith (Input 5)
has to be connected to the weather data component Type 15, Type16, Type99.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If the option “external calculation of radiation data” is selected, three inputs of incident radiation to the Type 56 Trnsys component will be required. This is generally provided by
the weather component.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The internal as well as the external calculation of radiation data are using the same radiation calculation routine from kernel.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The orientation named H_0_0 is automatically recognized as the horizontal radiation. If this orientation doesn’t exist, no diffuse geometric shading and daylight calculation is performed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For more Information, please have a look into the … \Documentation\05-MultizoneBuilding.pdf -> The Project Dialog Box<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Christoph<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Von:</b> WANG Yang <wanghongyang1767@gmail.com> <br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 27. November 2018 08:53<br>
<b>An:</b> trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org; hotline <hotline@Transsolar.com><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: TRNSYS-users Digest, Vol 167, Issue 22<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-im"><span style="color:#500050">Dear Madam or Sir,<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have the new questions between old 2D simulation and current 3D simulation (TRNSYS3D):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1) after I imported *idf file to simulation studio, the link between Radiation Equation and Type56 is lack of many inputs and outputs, see below pictures. Furthermore, I cannot also Define new inputs from TRNBuild e.g. IT N 180 90, IT S
0 90 etc. Thus, I cannot use TRNSYS 3D model to repeat/simulate my previous project.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How to deal with this problem? Super thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yang<o:p></o:p></p>
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1. Re: QTSABS vs QSOLTR (Karol Bandurski)<br>
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From: Karol Bandurski <<a href="mailto:karol.bandurski@put.poznan.pl" target="_blank">karol.bandurski@put.poznan.pl</a>><br>
To: "'hotline'" <<a href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com" target="_blank">hotline@transsolar.com</a>>, "'TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org'" <<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 09:39:10 +0100<br>
Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] QTSABS vs QSOLTR<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="PL" style="color:#1F497D">Dear Christoph,</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="PL" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Thank you for your response!</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">The problem is that, it seems to me, that I don’t have internal shading, so QSOLTR should equal QTSABS. Am I right?</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">How should I set window type and external devices to get QSOLTR=QTSABS?</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Kind regards,<br>
Karol</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="PL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="PL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> hotline [mailto:<a href="mailto:hotline@Transsolar.com" target="_blank">hotline@Transsolar.com</a>]
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] QTSABS vs QSOLTR</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="PL"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dear Karol,<span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">QSOLTR is the total shortwave solar radiation transmitted through external windows
<u>and</u> internal shading.</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">QTSABS also includes the secondary heat flux which includes the convection of internal shader.</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Hope that clarifies your energy balance a bit.</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Best,</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Christoph</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>Von:</b> TRNSYS-users <<a href="mailto:trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>>
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Karol Bandurski via TRNSYS-users<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 21. November 2018 16:42<br>
<b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Karol Bandurski <<a href="mailto:karol.bandurski@put.poznan.pl" target="_blank">karol.bandurski@put.poznan.pl</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> [TRNSYS-users] QTSABS vs QSOLTR<span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="PL">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="PL"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">I am going to find whole solar gain which come to zone throug windows.</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">There are two outputs that I consider: QTSABS and QSOLTR.</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">It seems to me that bigger should be QSOLTR, because it is shortwave radiation transmitted through window (but not kept 100% in air node).</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">The QTSABS is what exactly has been kept - has been absorbed by inside surfaces.</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">But it is appear that QTSABS > QSOLTR…</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Could you write me what is right interpretation of those outputs?</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Kind regards,<br>
Karol</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Karol BANDURSKI M. Sc.</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Faculty of Civil and Environemntal Engeneering</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Division of Heating, Air Conditioning and Air Protection</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Poznan University of Technology</span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Karol_Bandurski" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Karol_Bandurski</a></span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="PL" style="color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.put.poznan.pl/~karol.bandurski" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">www.put.poznan.pl/~karol.bandurski</span></a></span><span lang="PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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