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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hey Daniel,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">you can edit the orientation of your window directly in the .bui file but not in TRNBuild. Which “specific” solar radiation you use, is then up to you. TRNLizard is an alternative to
Simulation Studio and TRNBuild. It also writes an .b18 and .d18 file, which can be edited individually.
</span><span lang="EN">Unfortunately, I have no answer to your last question.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN">Christoph<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Von:</b> TRNSYS-users [mailto:trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Weber Daniel via TRNSYS-users<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 21. Juni 2018 00:11<br>
<b>An:</b> TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org <trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Weber Daniel <webedani@student.ethz.ch><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] Input solar radiation onto windows surfaces<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Hi Christoph,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">thank you for your answer. The thing is, I would like to directly input the specific solar radiation (calculated in Grasshopper) onto the windows outside surfaces
and only the windows, not input general solar radiation for the whole building. But I guess this is not so easy, as I still would like to have the general solar radiation calculated on the building by TRNBuild to keep precision in thermal calculations apart
from windows.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">I thought about TRNLizard aswell, but as I understood correctly its a plugin for Grasshopper. I would like my main module to be TRNSYS, as it calls CONTAM for ventilation
and MATLAB for control purposes. If I use TRNLizard can I then still edit my TRNSYS deck file to implement these two softwares, as well as edit the Type 56 file to define manual inputs and ouputs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Additionally, I have seen that Pigeon is the CONTAM plugin for Grasshopper, therefore ventilation calculations could be implemented through this plugin. But I'm
still not sure how to establish the connection from MATLAB to TRNSYS and its Type 56 by using Grasshopper as my main module ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Thank you for your help and best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> TRNSYS-users [trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]"
im Auftrag von "hotline via TRNSYS-users [trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org]<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 20. Juni 2018 11:00<br>
<b>An:</b> TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> hotline<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] Input solar radiation onto windows surfaces</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Hey Daniel,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">you can input your solar radiation by changing the “Orientations” to “Free format” and “Calculation of radiation data - External by another component” in TRNBuild. After updating Type56 in Simulation
Studio you can get an Input for IT, IB and AI.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Because you are working with Rhino/Grasshopper and TRNSYS – have you ever thought about using TRNLizard? TRNLizard enables thermal and daylight building simulation based on detailed 3D geometry of
Rhino. You can also parameterize your geometry and other input data for design studies in earlier stages of the design phase.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Best,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Christoph</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">Von:</span></b><span style="color:black"> TRNSYS-users [<a href="mailto:trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Weber Daniel via TRNSYS-users<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 20. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Juni 2018 01:27<br>
<b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org">trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Weber Daniel <<a href="mailto:webedani@student.ethz.ch">webedani@student.ethz.ch</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> [TRNSYS-users] Input solar radiation onto windows surfaces</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Hi TRNSYS Team,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">I am using Type 56 for a 3D multizone building model. My building has quite a complex glass geometry, therefore I am calculating the solar radiation
on the windows in Rhino/Grasshopper/Ladybug. Now I would, preferrably, like to input this solar radiation onto the windows OUTSIDE surfaces in TRNBuild and thus take advantage of TRNBuilds sophisticated window model. Is there any way to do it this way? </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Otherwise, I had in mind to just convert the solar radiation onto the windows with a simple equation to heat gains to the room and input them directly
to the thermal nodes in TRNBuild. Additionally, I would still model the windows for thermal heat flux calculations to the ambient, but make them totally opaque (define windows with g value of 0).</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Do you have any inputs for this problem?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Thank you and best regards,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Daniel Weber</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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