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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Wirich,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="shorttext"><span lang="EN">there is no blanket response to this issue</span></span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">. Could you please provide us your simulation project to
<a href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com">hotline@transsolar.com</a>, so we can reproduce your problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">To rule out a user error, please make sure which Longwave radiation mode you are using.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In the standard model (starnet model) the REQV combines radiation and CHTC<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In detailed mode the user defined emissivities of surface are handeld.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Christoph</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Von:</b> TRNSYS-users [mailto:trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>adnan rasheed via TRNSYS-users<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 1. März 2018 03:33<br>
<b>An:</b> TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org <trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> adnan rasheed <adnan.upm.spain@gmail.com><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] Hconv and convective heat transfer coefficient<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;background:white">Dear <span style="color:black"> Wirich FREPPEL,</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black;background:white">Recently i did some work related to internal and external convective heat transfer coefficient and its effect on temperature and Overall heat transfer coefficient you
can read the model calibration section of the following paper "Development of a model to calculate the overall heat transfer coefficient of greenhouse covers" . Hope this will help you.if you have any question you are most welcome.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black;background:white">here is the link of the paper</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://revistas.inia.es/index.php/sjar/article/view/10777/3790"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;background:white">http://revistas.inia.es/index.php/sjar/article/view/10777/3790</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:21 PM, Wirich FREPPEL via TRNSYS-users <<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi everyone,<br>
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I ran 3 different simulations with TRNSYS, in which the only parameter I changed was the convective heat transfer coefficient CHTC (as seen in picture 1). It seems that nothing really differ from a simulation to another, though I tried with h=1, then h=100
(see picture 6 which shows the airnode temperature). Then, in order to identify the problem, I set as output the HCONV (type 108) and the resistance between the surface and the starnode Req (type 86).<br>
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Two observations :<br>
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1) HCONV does not correspond to the CHTC I set in TRNBUILD (even by dividing it by the surface area)<br>
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2) Req is very close to 0. I guess that's why I observe no real difference between each simulation.<br>
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So I've got a few questions:<br>
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1) What am I actually observing with HCONV?<br>
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2) Why is Req close to 0 ? And what does it mean? (I assume that when Req=0, there is no heat transfer by convection between the surface and the airnode)<br>
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Thanks in advance for the clarification<span style="color:#888888"><br>
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<span class="hoenzb">-- </span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">Wirich FREPPEL</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">Ingenieur Doctorant en Recherche & Developpement</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">Centre R&D de Noirot - Groupe Muller</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">8 rue Louis Ampere, 02030 Laon</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">+33 (0)3 23 27 31 99</span><br>
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