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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Karol,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">could you please send me your project to <a href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com">
hotline@transsolar.com</a>. I will try to reproduce your problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Christoph<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">__________________________________________________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Christoph Stetter M.Eng.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Transsolar Energietechnik GmbH<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Curiestraße 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">70563 Stuttgart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-fareast-language:DE"><a href="http://www.transsolar.com/"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">http://www.transsolar.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Transsolar: KlimaEngineering- Technologien für energieeffizientes Bauen und
Nutzerkomfort in Gebäuden<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Stuttgart – München – New York – Paris
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Geschäftsführer :Diplom-Ingenieur Matthias Schuler, Diplom-Ingenieur Thomas Auer, Diplom-Physiker Stefan Holst, Diplom-Betriebswirt Dieter
Schnelle<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eingetragen beim Amtsgericht Stuttgart HRB 23347,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Steuernummer: 99073/00911,USt-IdNr.: DE 152272639</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-fareast-language:DE">Von:</span></b><span style="mso-fareast-language:DE"> Karol BANDURSKI [mailto:karol.bandurski@put.poznan.pl]
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 25. Januar 2018 12:30<br>
<b>An:</b> hotline <hotline@Transsolar.com>; 'TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org' <trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org>; trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu<br>
<b>Cc:</b> katarzyna.palaszynska@put.poznan.pl<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> RE: [TRNSYS-users] Active layer/boundary condition - strange results<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PL" style="color:#1F497D">Dear Christoph,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PL" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Thank you for response!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">But we need to be more clear:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">When we set:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US">boundary conditions = IDENTICAL<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US">AIR temperature in zone is about 24 C<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US">Temperature of inlet water (active layer) is about 18 C (and outlet almost 19 C)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US">Convective heat transfer coefficient on back surface is set FLOOR<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Then temperature on back surface is about 26 C. In other words Tso is higher than Tsi and water temperature, while there is no internal heat gains. Why?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Karol<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="PL" style="mso-fareast-language:PL">From:</span></b><span lang="PL" style="mso-fareast-language:PL"> hotline [<a href="mailto:hotline@Transsolar.com">mailto:hotline@Transsolar.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org <<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org">trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Karol Bandurski <<a href="mailto:karol.bandurski@put.poznan.pl">karol.bandurski@put.poznan.pl</a>>;
<a href="mailto:katarzyna.palaszynska@put.poznan.pl">katarzyna.palaszynska@put.poznan.pl</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] Active layer/boundary condition - strange results<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PL"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Karol and Katarzyna,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If boundary conditions = IDENTICAL, the surface temperatures of the active wall Tsi and Tso will only be identical, if:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4"><span lang="EN-US">Wall construction is symmetrical<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4"><span lang="EN-US">Convective heat transfer coefficients (front and back) are the same<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best<br>
Christoph Stetter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">__________________________________________________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Christoph Stetter M.Eng.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Transsolar Energietechnik GmbH<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Curiestraße 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">70563 Stuttgart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-fareast-language:DE"><a href="http://www.transsolar.com/"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">http://www.transsolar.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Transsolar: KlimaEngineering- Technologien für energieeffizientes Bauen und
Nutzerkomfort in Gebäuden<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Stuttgart – München – New York – Paris
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Geschäftsführer :Diplom-Ingenieur Matthias Schuler, Diplom-Ingenieur Thomas Auer, Diplom-Physiker Stefan Holst, Diplom-Betriebswirt Dieter
Schnelle<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eingetragen beim Amtsgericht Stuttgart HRB 23347,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Steuernummer: 99073/00911,USt-IdNr.: DE 152272639</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-fareast-language:DE">Von:</span></b><span style="mso-fareast-language:DE"> TRNSYS-users [<a href="mailto:trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Karol Bandurski via TRNSYS-users<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 22. Januar 2018 12:44<br>
<b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Karol Bandurski <<a href="mailto:karol.bandurski@put.poznan.pl">karol.bandurski@put.poznan.pl</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> [TRNSYS-users] Active layer/boundary condition - strange results<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PL">Dear Users and Developers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">We would like to model active layer as component of TABS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Now our model is one zone with active layer in ceiling. Adiabatic condition/IDENTICAL for all internal partition and set. We have one external wall.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6"><span lang="EN-US">We would like to keep neighborhood zones in the same AIR temperature. But when we set boundary condition to IDENTICAL over TABS, then outer surface of this partition has higher temperature
then indoor air temperature and active layer water temperature… -Why?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6"><span lang="EN-US">The situation is better if we set convective heat transfer coefficient, on outer surface of TABS to 0.001. If we understand, it is mean direct contact between air and surface. So if there
are adiabatic/identical condition: outer SURFACE temperature of TABS has the same temperature as AIR inside modelled zone. But our aim is to keep identical inside and outside AIR temperature, not SURFACE temperature… How we can do it?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kind regards,<br>
Karol<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:PL">Karol BANDURSKI M. Sc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:PL">Faculty of Civil and Environemntal Engeneering<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:PL">Division of Heating, Air Conditioning and Air Protection<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:PL">Poznan University of Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Karol_Bandurski">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Karol_Bandurski</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PL" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:PL"><a href="http://www.put.poznan.pl/~karol.bandurski"><span lang="EN-US">www.put.poznan.pl/~karol.bandurski</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:PL"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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