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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=FR link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Hi Marion<o:p></o:p></span></a></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Thanks for your answer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I must confess I am not aware of all the capabilities of the complex glazing model. Would you have a detailed documentation to share?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Especially does the model enables the computation of air flowrate inside the cavity based on the discharge coefficients of the lower and upper vents and a control signal?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I guess the massive wall would not be part of the glazing system so how would you figure out the coupling between the wall and the glazing? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:FR'>Best</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#404040;mso-fareast-language:FR'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#404040;mso-fareast-language:FR'>Antoine Gautier<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#404040;mso-fareast-language:FR'>Solamen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#404040;mso-fareast-language:FR'>+33 6 58 24 02 60<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#404040;mso-fareast-language:FR'>antoine.gautier@solamen.fr<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-fareast-language:FR'>De :</span></b><span style='mso-fareast-language:FR'> Marion Hiller [mailto:Hiller@Transsolar.com] <br><b>Envoyé :</b> lundi 19 juin 2017 10:16<br><b>À :</b> Antoine Gautier <antoine.gautier@solamen.fr>; TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org <trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org><br><b>Objet :</b> AW: [TRNSYS-users] Trombe wall modeling with Type36<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE>Dear Antoine,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE>I’m back from vacation and claening my emails.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE>My feeling is that the complex glazing model available for Trnsys 18 could be used for modelling a trombe wall.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE>Did you consider this option?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE>Marion<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#005A00;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH'>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</span></b><span lang=DE-CH style='mso-fareast-language:DE-CH'> </span><span lang=DE style='mso-fareast-language:DE-CH'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE-CH style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#005A00;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH'>Dipl.-Ing. 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Mai 2017 15:26<br><b>An:</b> 'TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org' <<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org">trnsys-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br><b>Betreff:</b> [TRNSYS-users] Trombe wall modeling with Type36<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Hi <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I use Type36 in Mode 2 (air flowrate computed internally, glazing transmittance as an input) to model a naturally vented Trombe wall.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I use the multi-layer detailed window model from Type56 to compute the solar transmittance B3_QSTRNS/B3_QSEXT and U-value UWIN of the window (at each time step).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Looking at the source code of Type36 I cannot figure out how the model accounts for the inward-flowing portion of the solar radiation absorbed by the window. Therefore I would rather provide SHGC (B3_QSTRNS+B3_QSHFPR)/B3_QSEXT instead of solar transmittance as an input to Type36. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>The drawback being all this inward-flowing portion considered as radiation absorbed by the massive wall. However the uncertainty (assuming all inward-flowing portion is radiative) seems lower than totally neglecting the inward-flowing portion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Would somebody have a recommendation to share?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Best<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#404040;mso-fareast-language:FR'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#404040;mso-fareast-language:FR'>Antoine Gautier<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#404040;mso-fareast-language:FR'>Solamen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#404040;mso-fareast-language:FR'>+33 6 58 24 02 60<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#404040;mso-fareast-language:FR'><a href="mailto:antoine.gautier@solamen.fr">antoine.gautier@solamen.fr</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>