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    Hsein,<br>
      We faced a similar situation in a project a few years ago. We
    investigated a number of possible solutions because what TRNSYS is
    showing you is a real world potential problem in systems such as
    yours. One thing we looked at was to put a buffer tank onto the
    source loop. When the electrical load exceeded the immediate cooling
    demand we were able to allow the buffer tank temperature to rise a
    little bit. When the electrical load dropped off then we were able
    to use some of the energy in the buffer to continue running the
    absorption chillers. If the tank temperature dropped off too much
    for the absorption chillers to operate then we investigated reliance
    on traditional electric chillers. We also investigated the option of
    running the generators so that if the electrical load dropped low
    enough that the absorption chiller could not run then we would
    overproduce electricity and send it back into the utility's electric
    grid.<br>
    kind regards,<br>
     David<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/10/2016 16:49, Hsein Moussawi
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          font-size: 16px;">Hi there,</p>
        <p style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
          font-size: 16px;">Sorry for the mistake I mentioned in the
          previous email.</p>
        <p style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
          font-size: 16px;">In fact, I can control the flow rate to the
          evaporator by installing a storage (buffer) tank and this is
          what I already did.</p>
        <p style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
          font-size: 16px;">The real problem behind the negative values
          is the low flow rate to the generator and not the evaporator.
          That's what I can't control since the generator is driven by
          exhaust gases from certain prime mover which in turn depends
          on the electrical load of the building (that I can't change).</p>
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          font-size: 16px;">Sorry and Thanks...again!</p>
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              David BRADLEY <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com"><d.bradley@tess-inc.com></a><br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:07 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org;
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hsein_moussawi@hotmail.com">hsein_moussawi@hotmail.com</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] Absorption chiller</font>
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          <div>Hsein,<br>
              This would be a problem in a real system as well, not just
            in simulation. You need to isolate the load flow from the
            source flow by using either a primary/secondary pumping
            scheme or by putting a buffer tank between the load loop and
            the source loop.<br>
            kind regards,<br>
             David<br>
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            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/10/2016 15:38, Hsein
              Moussawi wrote:<br>
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                <p>Hi angel,</p>
                <p>Yes I know how it works and the negative
                  values mainly appear when the flow rate to the
                  evaporator is low. However in the system I am
                  simulating, I can't control this flow rate, it is
                  imposed by other components (cooling load from
                  building). So do you have other suggestions?</p>
                <p>Thanks for the fast reply.</p>
                <p>Regards.</p>
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                      face="Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Angel
                      Carrera
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                        href="mailto:angel.carrera@aiguasol.coop"><angel.carrera@aiguasol.coop></a><br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 10, 2016 9:28 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> TRNSYS users mailing list at
                      OneBuilding. org<br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] Absorption
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                      Hi,</p>
                    <p dir="ltr">I giess that the flowrate you are
                      giving as an input is too low related to the power
                      requirement at the evaporator.<br>
                      I suggest you to read the descripción of the type
                      to understand how it is working, regards</p>
                    <p dir="ltr">Angel</p>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">El 10/2/2016 20:14, "Hsein
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                            <p>Hello there,</p>
                            <p>I am using an exhaust fired absorption
                              chiller in a certain system. After
                              simulation the temperature of the hot
                              fluid exiting the chiller is observed to
                              be negative in many instances. This is
                              impossible in reality. I am wondering if
                              anyone faced a similar problem!?</p>
                            <p>My question is: </p>
                            <p>Is there a way by which I can limit the
                              output of a component to a certain point??
                              (e.g. outlet temperature of chiller to
                              ambient temperature)</p>
                            <p>Thanks in advance TRNSYS community,</p>
                            <p>Best regards.</p>
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