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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Muhammad and Tim,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">in fact it is a little different:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Boundary identical
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">the back surface receives the same gains as the front side surface<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">the starnode temperature of the back side is the starnode temperature of the front side<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">the used heat transfer coefficient<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If the construction is symmetrical and the heat transfer coefficients (htc) are the same then
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the back surface temperature = front surface temperature.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If the construction isn’t symmetrical and/or different htc are defined the temperatures are different.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Boundary userdefined<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The user defines a temperature which is coupled to the back surface temperature by the<br>
defined htc  to the back surface temperature. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">    If you want to set a defined back surface temperature there is an option to define “direct contact”
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   by setting htc = 0.0001. I know that it is strange to defined a very low HTC for obtaining perfect coupling,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">  But that’s the way it is defined in the code.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> TRNSYS-users [mailto:trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>mcdowell@tess-inc.com<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 2. Juli 2015 22:59<br>
<b>An:</b> TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] Determining TrnBuild Boundary temperatures in boundary type.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Muhammad Talha -<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Identical means that the back surface temperature is the same as the front surface temperature.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Userdefined means that the back surface temperature will be set by the user, either as a constant or as an input.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Tim<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>---<br>Timothy P. McDowell<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Executive Vice President<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Thermal Energy System Specialists, LLC<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>22 N Carroll St, Suite 370<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Madison, WI 53703<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>608-274-2577<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p>On 2015-07-02 15:30, Muhammad Talha wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear TRNSYS users, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is there a way to determine the boundary temperature in the boundary type in TrnBuild. I am using the boundary as category for floor but can't comprehend what identical means. I want to determine heat loss through the floor of my building.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mohammad Talha<o:p></o:p></p>
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